Mongoloid DNA in Central Asian Turkic and others ( Europeans, Non-Turkic )

[ButlerKing]

Hi, I want to make an thread about the genetic influence of Mongolians around the world and their descendants.

Genetics tell us Kazakhs, Hazara, Crimean Tatars were mostly the result of Mongoloid men (Y-DNA) who mated with Indo-European women (mtDNA). Uyghurs, Uzbeks, Kygyz are mostly the result of Indo-European men (Y-DNA) and Mongoloid women (mtDNA). Mongolian Caucasian mtDNA is 14.3% AND Y-DNA is 6%. So It would seem Central Asia have been heavily shaped from Intermarriage and assimilation. These Mongol hybrids can also be found the Hazara of middle east, and the Nogai of southern Russia and Caucasus but not in the rest of Europe.



Autosomal DNA


Kazakhs, Kyrgyz are the most mongoloid being from 60-75% Mongoloid
Uzbeks on average 42-47% Mongoloid, some are 30-40% or 60-70%. Mongoloid
Uyghurs on average 50-52% Mongoloid, some are 46 - 60% Mongoloid
Turkmen on average are 16% Mongoloid, some are 27-31% Mongoloid

Kuban Nogais ( <---- Kuban nogais are only 3% of Nogais and may have mixed with the Caucasus people, they do not live in the same territory like the vast majority of Nogais in republic of Nogay)

Kuban Nogais average 23.5% Mongoloid, some are 26.5 - 36.5% Mongoloid.

Haplogroup C3 in the world

C3 6-12% Northern China
C3 11-16% Koreans
C3 Hazara in Pakistan 40% O3 8%
C3 Hazara in Afghanistan 33.33% O3 1.57%
C3 Tajiks in Afghanistan 3.57% , O3 9%
C3 Pasthun in Afghanistan 2.56%
C3 Pasthun in Afghanistan 5%
C3 Assyrians in Iran 2.6%
C3 Bandari in Iran 0.8%
C3 Manzandarani in Iran 1.4%
C3 Zoroasterian in In ran 2.6%
C3 Bengalis in West Bengal 3.2%
C3 Indian in new Dehli 0.6%
C3 Hunza 5% and O3 5%
C3 Russians 0.2% or 0.7%


Iran ethnic minority groups




Russians

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...76/table/tbl2/

Rovslav 0.9%
Belgorod 0.7%

Central Russian total 0.2%
Southern Russian total 0.2%


Afghanistan and Pakistan ethnic minority

" Afghanistan's Ethnic Groups Share a Y-Chromosomal Heritage Structured by Historical Events"

http://ukpmc.ac.uk/articles/PMC3314501/

"Haplogroup C3 in Uzbeks (41.18%) and Hazaras (33.33%) than it was in Tajiks (3.57%) and Pashtuns (2.04%). On the other hand, R1a1a-M17 was significantly more frequent (p = 3.00×10−6) in Pashtuns (51.02%) and Tajiks (30.36%) than in Uzbeks (17.65%) and Hazaras (6.67%). RM networks of C3-M217 (Figure S1A) and R1a1a-M17 "


Haplogroup C3 and O3

Uzbeks/ Afghanistan 41.18% C3 + 5.9% O3

Hazara/ Pakistan 40% C3 + 8% O3

Hazaras/ Afghanistan 33.33% C3 + O3 2.56%

Tajiks/Afghanistan 3.57% C3 + O3 9%

Pashtuns Afghanistan 2.04% C3

Pashtun Pakistan 5% C3


Tatars ( Russian ethnic minority )


BASHKIR TATARS

C3 it's found highest at 17% at highest
O it's found highest at 6% at highest
N-P43 it's found highest at 3% highest

N-tat = N1c1, it's found from as low as 3% to as high as 65% ( I'm not sure if this spread by Finno ugric or by Yakuts or Uralic people, at least some of them)



Mongolian themselves are genetically 81-95% Mongoloid, east Mongolians being almost 100% Mongoloid and West Mongolians being a bit over 81% Mongoloid.





C3 is found highest in Siberia, Mongolian, Manchus, Eskimo, Inuits. It's founds in Koreans, Chinese, Japanese. All of Central Asian Turkic, Tajiks, Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, Turkey, Southern Russia, Caucasus. It's found in highest in the Hazara of middle east, the Nogais of Caucasus and the Crimean Tatars of East europe in Ukraine. The Kazakhs have very high C3 as do the Uzbeks of Afghanistan.

Mongolian hybrids

Hazara
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1181978/

mtDNA 52% West Eurasian, 13% South Asian/Indian, 35% East Asian
Y-DNA 48%-52% East Asian 40% C3, 8% O3. West Eurasian and South Asian make up the rest.

Many Hazara appearance can range from middle easterner, European, mongoloid.




Nogais are descendants from the golden horde.

East Asian Y-DNA 19-25% like 13% C3, 6% O3, D 6%, East Asian mtDNA 39%
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/9/47


Crimean Tatars

East Asian Y-DNA 19% like 9% C3, 5% O, 5% O3. West Eurasian mtDNA 100%.
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/9/47/table/T2

Appearance of some Crimean Tatars look mixed with mongoloids

[Blackout]

Interesting stuff, thanks! There are also other Mongolic tribes aswell, such as the 'Balti' people, and 'Ladakhi' etc.

[Sky earth]

Why do Crimean tatars have 0 % Mongoloid mtDNA? I know that Crimean Tatar men mixed with the local women in Ukraine but I expect at least 5 %

It's strange because most Turkics have their Mongoloid haplogroups on their maternal side.

[ButlerKing]

Why do Crimean tatars have 0 % Mongoloid mtDNA? I know that Crimean Tatar men mixed with the local women in Ukraine but I expect at least 5 %

It's strange because mot Turkics have their Mongoloid haplogroups on their maternal side.

Maybe because men only migrated...? not really sure to be honest.

Mainly more Caucasoid haplogroup maternal than paternal =

Crimean Tatar
Kazakh
Hazara
Uzbeks Afghan
Kamlyks
Buryats
Mongolian

Mainly more Mongoloid haplogroup maternal DNA than paternal =

Kyrgyz
Uyghurs
Uzbeks in Uzbekistan
Nogais
Bashkir Tatar
Altay
Turkmen
Turkish

As for Karakalpaks they have more caucasoid mtDNA than Mongoloid mtDNA but also more Caucasoid Y-DNA and besides they all look mixed.

[Sky earth]

Maybe because men only migrated...? not really sure to be honest.

Mainly Caucasoid haplogroup maternal =

Crimean Tatar
Kazakh
Hazara
Uzbeks Afghan
Kamlyks
Buryats
Mongolian

Mainly Mongoloid haplogroup maternal =

Kyrgyz
Uyghurs
Uzbeks in Uzbekistan
Nogais
Bashkir Tatar
Altay
Turkmen
Turkish

As for Karakalpaks they have more caucasoid mtDNA than Mongoloid mtDNA but also more Caucasoid Y-DNA and besides they all look mixed.

Karakalpaks are in Autosomal Dna on the same Level as Kazakhs and Kyrgyz. I doubt that they have predominantly Caucasoid haplogroups on both sides.

[ButlerKing]

Karakalpaks are in Autosomal Dna on the same Level as Kazakhs and Kyrgyz. I doubt that they have predominantly Caucasoid haplogroups on both sides.

So not true.... Karakapak are still 10% more Caucasoid than Kazakhs and Kyrgyz.

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Check out these two Crimean Tatars.... it's so obvious these ones don't look European. They must have higher East Asian DNA on average for sure.



I'm surprised by how high the Mongolian DNA is North Caucasus which is today's modern day Southern Russia compared with ethnic Slavs like Russians.
This means that Mongols did leave significant genetic impact in parts of Europe.

The Caucasus as an asymmetric semipermeable barrier to ancient human migrations

Bayazit Yunusbayev et al.

Abstract

" The Caucasus, inhabited by modern humans since the Early Upper Paleolithic and known for its linguistic diversity, is considered to be important for understanding human dispersals and genetic diversity in Eurasia. We report a synthesis of autosomal, Y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) variation in populations from all major subregions and linguistic phyla of the area. Autosomal genome variation in the Caucasus reveals significant genetic uniformity among its ethnically and linguistically diverse populations, and is consistent with predominantly Near/Middle Eastern origin of the Caucasians, with minor external impacts. In contrast to autosomal and mtDNA variation, signals of regional Y chromosome founder effects distinguish the eastern from western North Caucasians. Genetic discontinuity between the North Caucasus and the East European Plain contrasts with continuity through Anatolia and the Balkans, suggesting major routes of ancient gene flows and admixture. "





North East Caucasian ethnic

Tabasaran 43 samples, 3 C3 = 6.97%

North West Caucasian ethnic

Adyghe 154 samples, 1 C3c and 3 C3 = 2.59%
Cherkessians 126 sampes, 1 C3 = 0.79%
Karbadin 140 samples, 3 C3 = 2.40%

North East Central Caucasian ethnic

Kuban Nogays 87 samples , 5 C3 and 2 C3c and 3 O3 = 11.49%
Kara Nogays 76 samples, 8 C3 and 4 O3 = 15.78%

( Not including haplogroup D, N and Q in Nogays because such markers have nothing to do with Mongolian people )

South Caucasus

Abazinians 14 samples, 1 C3 = 7%

Tabasaran


Adyghe


Karbadin

[Sky earth]

So not true.... Karakapak are still 10% more Caucasoid than Kazakhs and Kyrgyz.

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Check out these two Crimean Tatars.... it's so obvious these ones don't look European. They must have higher East Asian DNA on average for sure.



I'm surprised by how high the Mongolian DNA is North Caucasus which is today's modern day Southern Russia compared with ethnic Slavs like Russians.
This means that Mongols did leave significant genetic impact in parts of Europe.

The Caucasus as an asymmetric semipermeable barrier to ancient human migrations

Bayazit Yunusbayev et al.

Abstract

" The Caucasus, inhabited by modern humans since the Early Upper Paleolithic and known for its linguistic diversity, is considered to be important for understanding human dispersals and genetic diversity in Eurasia. We report a synthesis of autosomal, Y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) variation in populations from all major subregions and linguistic phyla of the area. Autosomal genome variation in the Caucasus reveals significant genetic uniformity among its ethnically and linguistically diverse populations, and is consistent with predominantly Near/Middle Eastern origin of the Caucasians, with minor external impacts. In contrast to autosomal and mtDNA variation, signals of regional Y chromosome founder effects distinguish the eastern from western North Caucasians. Genetic discontinuity between the North Caucasus and the East European Plain contrasts with continuity through Anatolia and the Balkans, suggesting major routes of ancient gene flows and admixture. "





North East Caucasian ethnic

Tabasaran 43 samples, 3 C3 = 6.97%

North West Caucasian ethnic

Adyghe 154 samples, 1 C3c and 3 C3 = 2.59%
Cherkessians 126 sampes, 1 C3 = 0.79%
Karbadin 140 samples, 3 C3 = 2.40%

North East Central Caucasian ethnic

Kuban Nogays 87 samples , 5 C3 and 2 C3c and 3 O3 = 11.49%
Kara Nogays 76 samples, 8 C3 and 4 O3 = 15.78%

( Not including haplogroup D, N and Q in Nogays because such markers have nothing to do with Mongolian people )

South Caucasus

Abazinians 14 samples, 1 C3 = 7%

Tabasaran


Adyghe


Karbadin

You created a Thread once to show the Autosomal Dna of Turkics and central Asians. The colours of Karakalpaks, Kyrgyz and Kazakhs were almost the same and even if they have 10 % more Caucasoid than Kazakhs and Kyrgyz, they are still more Mongoloid, because Kazakhs and Kyrgyz are roughly 30 % caucasoid.

[ButlerKing]

You created a Thread once to show the Autosomal Dna of Turkics and central Asians. The colours of Karakalpaks, Kyrgyz and Kazakhs were almost the same and even if they have 10 % more Caucasoid than Kazakhs and Kyrgyz, they are still more Mongoloid, because Kazakhs and Kyrgyz are roughly 30 % caucasoid.

Well yes but still the Karakalpaks are still 40-45% Caucasoid, every percentage counts in my opinion.


Uzbeks and Uyghurs are roughly the same but difference is that Uzbeks are still slightly more Caucasoid 53-57% than Mongoloid 43-47% and this means their appearance will still be slightly more caucasoid. Some are even more Caucasoid than some Turkmen reaching 75% Caucasoid and some at 60% Mongoloid but this don't mean their closer to Turkmen or Kazakh they are still the closest to Uyghurs.

What I don't understand is why do Karakalpak have more South Asian Iranic components than European while Kazakhs and Kyrgyz have more European components than South Asian Iranic?. This tells me that the original Caucasoid people that used to inhabit Karakalpakstan were of different origin than others.

[ButlerKing]

This must mean even before Turkic or Mongol invasion.

The people of Central Asia were already a mixed of various Caucasoid people from Europe, West Asia, Middle east.

[ButlerKing]

Judging from the difference I'll say Karakalpak is inbetween Uyghurs and Kazakhs. If we calculate the Mongoloid and Caucasoid percentage difference than the Karakalpak would still be slightly closer to Uyghurs than the Kazakhs.