Madeirans, the people of Madeira

[Damião de Góis]

This is ridiculous... show me percentages for sub-saharan Y-DNA then we'll talk about slavery... because i really doubt only women were cutting sugar cane (all over southern Europe).

[Slycooper]

It could just mean that certain Portuguese in the south have 1 african ancestor. No big deal. That was centuries ago anyways

[Slycooper]

This is ridiculous... show me percentages for sub-saharan Y-DNA then we'll talk about slavery... because i really doubt only women were cutting sugar cane (all over southern Europe).

Y is 0% so if there was any mixing it was Portuguese males on African females.

[Sikeliot]

This is ridiculous... show me percentages for sub-saharan Y-DNA then we'll talk about slavery... because i really doubt only women were cutting sugar cane (all over southern Europe).

How is it ridiculous? You think Madeira could get 13% of Mtdna L without slavery? How? If you propose that haplogroup got there from Europe, then it'd mean the settlers would have had to come from those few other pockets where that haplogroup is abnormally high.

[Damião de Góis]

Y is 0% so if there was any mixing it was Portuguese males on African females.

So it means there was heavy mixing all over Spain, Portugal and Italy as well... not counting other European countries that have low percentages of this haplogroup but weren't listed. But whatever, you americans can keep your slavery. I'm done here.

[Sikeliot]

So it means there was heavy mixing all over Spain, Portugal and Italy as well... not counting other European countries that have low percentages of this haplogroup but weren't listed. But whatever, you americans can keep your slavery. I'm done here.

No.. the heavy mixing is in the places with 10%+ of that haplogroup. If it appears throughout Europe in small amounts as it is, it may be much older than the slave trade.. but come on. 10%+ in places known to have slavery? Let's be real here.

[Damião de Góis]

No.. the heavy mixing is in the places with 10%+ of that haplogroup. If it appears throughout Europe in small amounts as it is, it may be much older than the slave trade.. but come on. 10%+ in places known to have slavery? Don't be stupid.

You are you calling stupid...?

[Slycooper]

So it means there was heavy mixing all over Spain, Portugal and Italy as well... not counting other European countries that have low percentages of this haplogroup but weren't listed. But whatever, you americans can keep your slavery. I'm done here.

I was just saying that it's curious how it can reach 10-12% in the south and madeira but 3% in the North and Azores.

[Sikeliot]

You are you calling stupid...?

I edited it. But honestly if you don't think the 10+% frequency of mtdna L in certain places is due to slavery, then I would say that is a clueless and nonsensical position to take.

[Sikeliot]

I was just saying that it's curious how it can reach 10-12% in the south and madeira but 3% in the North and Azores.

Because it is obviously due to slavery.