Why is Serbia not joining Russias Eurasian Union instead of the European Union??

[Albion]

Korea gdp per capita is 21,000 dollars and in ppp its 30,000
View of the world= rich country like japan
They look like japanese so they are obviously as rich as japanese we also see samsung galaxies it must be true. Holy crap soul looks nothing like bangladesh, india or even china. Man i cant believe at least some asians got their house together and are rich.

Yes, most people already know this.

Russia gdp per capita is 13,000 (61% of korea) and in ppp its 21,500 (70% of korea)
View of the world= third world country like africa, wtf how can white people be poor. They have to be poor it doesnt look like sweden or norway, i cant believe it.

No one claims it to be third world, it's just poor compared to Western Europe.

This stereotype is all over eastern europe most people still think that czech republik or slovenia are poor even if their gdp per capita is over 20,000 nominal. Most eastern european countries are richer than many other nations in the world. But because they are white and are bordering to much much richer countries they are compared to these standards. Most people in the west and in the world didnt know how Eastern Europe looked like in communism so most they know are what they looked like after the fall of communism.

You're just presuming things again. Everyone knows that Czechia, Slovenia and Estonia are doing quite well in terms of GDP. Some countries are doing better than others in Eastern Europe.

So what?? At least Russia has some true buffer states,

Buffer states against what? Iran and Afghanistan?

what happened to your empire?? You dont even have an empire left so you had to join the EU and USA.

The empire proved too costly to keep in the end. There were rebellions throughout much of it, and many of the colonies (especially in Africa) cost more to run than we got back in return. The only parts worth keeping were India, Australia, NZ and Canada.
It was actually strange as far as empires go. It made use of local rulers and often added extra colonies by agreeing deals with local rulers.
The empire is gone because much of it was a burden. India was the only real loss since most trade was (and continues to be) with the Anglosphere and Europe.
But we spread our people around the world, founded offshoot countries such as Canada, America, Australia and NZ and achieved a hell of a lot more than Russia ever did. What does Russia rule over? A vast forest. If resources weren't there then Siberia would be completely useless. The Russian Empire and USSR at least controlled some better areas, but all those have become independent too.

The European states and America make decent allies. With allies you can trade and prosper fairly well. Russia never was very good at making friends, maybe because it has bullied Eastern Europe for a few hundred years now.

And as i said it seems serbia wont join the eu because they will not except them or it will take so long the benefits would be already realized and beyond with russias union if they would already join, instead of wating all the time like turkey does.

Many countries in the EU don't want Turkey to join. Serbia wouldn't have such a tough time though.
What's it going to achieve in the Eurasian Union though? Trading with pathetic countries in Central Asia? Lol, what a joke. Russia is the only country worth bothering with in the Eurasian Union, and most of its trade is with China and Europe. Thus Russia would be better joining the EFTA or reaching an agreement with the EU instead of pretending like Central Asia matters.

The EU (Europe), NAFTA (North America), ASEAN (South East Asia) and Mercosur (South America) are the major trade blocks of the world.
China and India may ultimately join ASEAN. A much smaller trade block (the EFTA) is semi-tied into the EU and so the EU+EFTA form a single market.

Here's a map of the major trade blocks (light shaded areas are likely to join them at latter dates - potential EU members, likely expansion of ASEAN and inevitable merger of Mercosur and ANDEAN).



There's no statistics for a potential Eurasian Union yet, so comparisons should be made with the CIS.
The CIS has a smaller economy than Germany, and not too far above Britain or France. Basically that means that 9 countries are outperformed by one country. The CIS members (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan) are the potential members of the Eurasian Union. In that list, the only important country is Russia. What I'am trying to say here is that Russia will lose out on potential trade with larger economies and instead is choosing to trade with tiny economies. Russia doesn't have to join the EU, there's the EFTA or it could reach an agreement with it as South Korea recently did.
This whole Eurasian Union nonsense just seems like another Russian attempt at restoring its influence in Central Asia.

Look at this chart from a few years ago, look at the CIS:



The EU as an organisation is broken, but as a trade block it brings together some of the largest economies in the world and forms the current largest combined economy.
Russia should be trading with Western Europe, not pathetic countries in Central Asia.

GDP of continents:



Note that the Asia figure includes the whole of Asia. The Eurasian Union is only going to cover Central Asia, not the major economies in East Asia (Japan, China, South Korea, etc).
So where should Russia's priorities be? Should it trade with major economies such as Europe and North America, or should it isolate itself as the boss of a rather pathetic club of countries?

Russia would do better to join the EFTA or make a deal with the EU. The Eurasian Union is a sad joke.

[vdkn67]

I personally will always prefer Russian-Serbian union over European one .Its the most natural alliance in every aspect .

+1

[RussiaPrussia]

huge post

so everyone know ssome eastern european states are doing will but no one knows that russia does well too?? Russia gdp per capita is the same as estonias in ppp for example and in nominal its almost the same now, estonia is also still losing people so it increases as there is more GDP for people.

So you say Britains archived alot more than russians, first of all you cant say the US is truly a british country it made a revolution against you and was founded by british terrorists so is irland.

And the US where made not only by english but from all people from europe, germans make the majority of US ancestry with 16% today. But you can argue that Canada, Australia and New Zealand is truly founded by british and the people still obey your queen. But even if you would count these 3 countries together you will see that they have not more than 130 million people while russia alone has 143 million not to mention about the other countries which have russian official language like belarus, kazakstan, kyrgizstan and so on and are obviously pro russian joining the eurasian union.

You see thats what russia can be proud of is that they are the only european country which realized to keep these folks on the other side under russian control and they still feel russian, this is what france and england failed in north america and spain as well as portugal in south america. Russia only lost territories which werent inhabited by russians for the most part.

So you say germany is bigger economy than all CIS countries together, in nominal not in PPP. In PPP Russia is almost as big as germany with Kazakhstan alone they are bigger.
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/...?display=graph

You also dont get the point of the eurasian union or my argument. My point is that for serbia and also for russia and other CISs is that its better to be independent and make their own rules. Sticking to other countries or groups and obey their rules will in the long run hurting them. You also have to realize that the poorer countries have a harder time competing to the richer countries. Open markets for west europeans mean maybe more investment to produce cheaper goods in eastern europe but it also mean less protectionism for their companies as well as that westerners can just buy them all up if they want. Also open borders damages eastern europe, eastern youths obviously go to the richer countries looking for opportunity making their countries demographic crisis even worse.

Also what would a country like serbia have to say in a 500 million state with 27 other countries?? For Russia its a good way to build up an own empire together with these states to be an equal to the european union. Putin also many times talked about an european free trade zone but it was rejected many times by them. Putin realized russias only chance is to build up an own empire again competing with the eu. Think about if russia would be like turkey obey everything what brussels masters say and keep begging over and over again. Its like being a girl wanting a boyfriend so bad, its slutty and every person would reject these girls, girls need to wait and get more pretty until boys entreat for them.

[Albion]

so everyone know ssome eastern european states are doing will but no one knows that russia does well too?? Russia gdp per capita is the same as estonias in ppp for example and in nominal its almost the same now, estonia is also still losing people so it increases as there is more GDP for people.

Correct.

So you say Britains archived alot more than russians, first of all you cant say the US is truly a british country it made a revolution against you and was founded by british terrorists so is irland.

It was founded by us. That it rebelled isn't the point. Russia has had regions of it rebel in the past - the only difference is that they were defeated.

And the US where made not only by english but from all people from europe, germans make the majority of US ancestry with 16% today.

The basic argument here is that America's was founded mostly by British and that it borrowed much from the mother country.

But you can argue that Canada, Australia and New Zealand is truly founded by british and the people still obey your queen. But even if you would count these 3 countries together you will see that they have not more than 130 million people while russia alone has 143 million not to mention about the other countries which have russian official language like belarus, kazakstan, kyrgizstan and so on and are obviously pro russian joining the eurasian union.

Large population doesn't equal a better country - if it did then Indonesia and Nigeria would be much better countries than they actually are.
And as for language - English is the world's lingua franca and is spoken over much of Africa and South Asia, so in this sense it mirrors Russian in Central Asia - the only difference being that some of these countries matter (such as India Vs Kazakhstan).

You see thats what russia can be proud of is that they are the only european country which realized to keep these folks on the other side under russian control and they still feel russian,

So Russian that they left the Soviet Union? They don't feel Russian, only minorities of them do. They're pro-Russian, but they don't actually identify as Russian.

this is what france and england failed in north america and spain as well as portugal in south america. Russia only lost territories which werent inhabited by russians for the most part.

We didn't fail. France was defeated by Britain in most of North America and the settlers in the British and Portuguese colonies developed separately for a few centuries and were geographically separated from the home country and became new peoples. Portugal and Spain's colonies rebelled, but British colonies were usually granted independence peacefully and so retain a degree of attachment to Britain. Even America which broke away sought to have a good relationship with us, not like how much of Eastern Europe runs from Russia.

You also dont get the point of the eurasian union or my argument. My point is that for serbia and also for russia and other CISs is that its better to be independent and make their own rules. Sticking to other countries or groups and obey their rules will in the long run hurting them. You also have to realize that the poorer countries have a harder time competing to the richer countries. Open markets for west europeans mean maybe more investment to produce cheaper goods in eastern europe but it also mean less protectionism for their companies as well as that westerners can just buy them all up if they want. Also open borders damages eastern europe, eastern youths obviously go to the richer countries looking for opportunity making their countries demographic crisis even worse.

These are good points, although I still don't think there's much to gain from such a union other than dependence on Russia.

Also what would a country like serbia have to say in a 500 million state with 27 other countries?? For Russia its a good way to build up an own empire together with these states to be an equal to the european union. Putin also many times talked about an european free trade zone but it was rejected many times by them.

Because Russia's economy has very different "rules" than Western European ones (or rather, a lack of them). To be on equal terms with us you must play by the rules like everyone else - no special treatment (a few opt outs maybe, but Russia couldn't be a member in its current form).

Think about if russia would be like turkey obey everything what brussels masters say and keep begging over and over again. Its like being a girl wanting a boyfriend so bad, its slutty and every person would reject these girls, girls need to wait and get more pretty until boys entreat for them.

Not necessarily. There are countries (such as Britain) which oppose a lot of what the EU does and don't simply follow orders. Russia would form an influential voice within it, as odd as it sounds - it could actually form a partnership with Britain within the EU since both are weary of too much integration and have similar economic aims. Britain currently attempts to get Scandinavian and Eastern European Euroskeptic countries on its side, but this only works some of the time because most of them are rather unimportant and too ready to follow orders.

[Dacul]

I also think Serbia should join eurasian union with Russia.
The party that won the ellections in Romania few days ago is pro-Russia.
I hope we will get rid of this nightmare called EU,they brought romanian nation in the knees!
And what is more bad is that most romanians become some people very imoral and very cowardly,some jewized people.
We are eurasian people,we do not have what to do in EU with France and Italy great powers there, who are having plenty of people calling romanians gypsies.
I do not want Romania to become a jewized moral shithole as most EU is.
Yes they have a good level of living but at what price?
Look at the unjust war they did in Irak,to rob that country,look the unjust war they did in Libia,to rob that country also and so on.

[Onur]

We are eurasian people,we do not have what to do in EU with France and Italy great powers there, who are having plenty of people calling romanians gypsies.

Romanul, Romania is in Europe and you have no relation with Eurasia.

Also, you shouldn't bother with westerners calling Romanians as gypsies. Already, not only Romania but whole Balkans are muslim infested gypsy lands in the eyes of most western Europeans. So, this is not only limited with Romania.

[Hess]

I don't see why anyone would want to join the sinking ship that is the EU

[wochisu]

Yep, a true cosmopolitan. The smartest/most important Serbs traveled and lived elsewhere.

That`s true, but not everyone has a possibility for that. In my opinion everyone should go out of their countries for some time, travel, but tell that to people who faces difficulties managing a normal life, how can they even think of traveling?