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    The Bhutanese journey: From refugees to pioneers

    When the days in the refugee camp seemed to last forever, Bhim Lal Kattel prayed to the gods to let his family return home to Bhutan.

    Nearly two decades passed. His children grew and his mother aged. Mr. Kattel gave up his dream of reclaiming his family's farm in southern Bhutan. The grinding boredom at the Goldhap refugee camp in the nearby Himalayan country of Nepal sapped his spirit.

    So, at age 37, with an anxious heart, he decided to take his family to a strange, cold land on the other side of the globe.

    Mr. Kattel arrived at Vancouver International Airport on Thursday afternoon, his eyes shining with excitement and fatigue. Despite the warm July weather, his wife, Bishnu Maya, and three children, Prakash, 14, Menuka, 12, and Ganesh, 8, were clad in thick sweaters. His 73-year-old mother was pushed through the international gates in a wheelchair.

    This week, as Ottawa issued strict visa requirements for Czech and Mexican visitors, citing a raft of bogus refugee claimants from the two countries, the Kattels were part of another unfolding Canadian refugee saga. Five thousand Bhutanese refugees will be arriving in Canada over the next five years – one of the largest government-sponsored resettlement efforts in recent years.

    Earlier, as the plane began its descent over B.C.'s Lower Mainland, Mr. Kattel stared down at the Coast Mountains and thought the landscape reminded him a little of Bhutan's rugged countryside.

    “I was thinking, ‘This is going to be my family's home,'” Mr. Kattel said.

    “Bhutan didn't want us. Nepal didn't want us,” Mr. Kattel said, moments after his family arrived at a temporary immigrant shelter in downtown Vancouver. “There is no way to go back now. This is what's best for my family.”

    Seven Western countries agreed to accept the Bhutanese after years of talks between Bhutan and Nepal ended in stalemate. Most – about 60,000 – will go to the United States. Many of the Kattels' friends and relatives have plane tickets to places like Dallas, Salt Lake City and Phoenix. Mr. Kattel wishes more of his friends were going to B.C.

    In Canada, the Bhutanese are to be settled in nearly 30 communities from Newfoundland to B.C. Eventually, about 900 refugees – including the Kattels – will move to Coquitlam, just outside Vancouver.

    It's a daunting prospect for the suburban community, and for the country as a whole.

    Unlike most immigrants and refugees, the government-sponsored Bhutanese will be landing in Canada without the safety net of already-established countrymen to greet them and ease the culture shock. The Nepalese and Bhutanese community in Canada is tiny.

    Coquitlam Mayor Richard Stewart compared the Bhutanese refugees to Wild West pioneers, landing in a strange country with little English, few job skills and even fewer relatives and friends. Many of the younger refugees were born and raised in a camp.

    Mr. Stewart said he was in awe of their courage. “I can't imagine, having spent my entire life in a camp, to get on a plane and fly to a new country. I want them to feel welcomed.”

    In fact, city officials, community groups and residents in Coquitlam have laid out the welcome mat for the refugees from a little-known land. The local school board and the Immigrant Services Society of B.C. have set up a summer camp for the kids to polish their English and learn basic computer skills. Host families have come forward to help the refugees with basic tasks such as shopping and learning transit routes. Community meetings held in the spring to discuss the refugees' arrival were overflowing.

    The Kattels are the third Bhutanese family to arrive in British Columbia.

    Mr. Stewart said he is determined to ensure the Bhutanese – especially the elderly – don't drift into isolation. “We're going to do what it takes to give them every chance to succeed.”

    They face a raft of challenges. Most of the adults come from farming backgrounds and have only a high-school education. Some have spent their entire adult lives in a refugee camp and have no work experience. Mr. Kattel worked five years as a security guard in India, where he learned halting but understandable English.

    But the biggest shock is sure to be cultural. The Bhutanese are moving from a near-primitive rural setting to a fast-paced modern city. Light switches, flush toilets, refrigerators – even chilled food and drinks – are as foreign as cellphones and computers.

    The Kattels' plane trip to Vancouver took 19 hours, but the family's journey began 17 years ago when more than 100,000 Nepali-speaking Bhutanese were driven out of the small Himalayan kingdom. The refugees fled to Nepal and spent nearly two decades in camps in the country's humid, snake-infested lowlands, miles from the tourist-trammelled mountain trails.

    When a worker from the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees came to the camp, asking who was interested in moving to a new country for permanent resettlement, Mr. Kattel thought of his children's future and raised his hand.

    Nearly two years after that encounter, the family boarded a plane in Kathmandu, the capital of Nepal, and began their long journey to Canada. As the plane's wheels lifted from the tarmac, Mr. Kattel felt thrilled and homesick at the same time. Menuka cried from London to Vancouver, telling her mother she already missed her friends.

    On Thursday afternoon, as their jet-lagged children slumped onto beds and sofas, Mr. Kattel and his wife listened intently as a Nepali-speaking counsellor showed the couple how to flush a toilet and run a shower. In the kitchen, he pointed to the stove and explained how the electric elements worked. Ms. Kattel, who cooked meals at the camp over a fire stove in the family's hut, had never operated an oven.

    Later that evening, the two other Bhutanese refugees paid the family a welcome visit. One, Saha Bahadur Diyali, took Mr. Kattel to a grocery store, where they bought rice, vegetables and fruit. Back at the shelter, Mr. Diyali, who arrived in May, filled Mr. Kattel's head with advice on life in the Canadian suburbs.

    “We decided that we aren't many Bhutanese here, so we'll have to stick together,” Mr. Kattel said.


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    The 'Bhutanese' who are being resettled in the US & Canada are actually ethnic Nepalese who fled Bhutan where they were an ethnic minority & their racial & ethnic kin in Nepal refused to allow them to resettle permanently in Nepal. There is really no reason for bringing these people to countries like Canda & America except to allow some civil servants to wet themselves in a fit of exuberation over having added a new (and non-European) ethnicity to an already overly diverse and increasingly Balkanizing, Canada & America. On the plus side perhaps they will not be as bad as the Somalis & Hmong.

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    I really don't mind these small groups of asylum immigrants, and I can only feel sympathy for stateless ethnic groups nobody wants. Refugee populations are one of the burdens of being the leading culture and most interventionist nation in the world. Massive illegal invasion is the real problem.

    With the exception of Germany, Western countries take in relatively few refugees:

    Refugees by country for the year 2008
    Pakistan 1.78 million
    Syria 1.11 million
    Iran 980,100
    Germany 582,700
    Jordan 500,400
    Chad 330,500
    Tanzania 321,900
    Kenya 320,600
    China 301,000
    Britain 292,100

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majar View Post
    I really don't mind these small groups of asylum immigrants, and I can only feel sympathy for stateless ethnic groups nobody wants. Refugee populations are one of the burdens of being the leading culture and most interventionist nation in the world. Massive illegal invasion is the real problem.

    With the exception of Germany, Western countries take in relatively few refugees:

    Refugees by country for the year 2008
    Pakistan 1.78 million
    Syria 1.11 million
    Iran 980,100
    Germany 582,700
    Jordan 500,400
    Chad 330,500
    Tanzania 321,900
    Kenya 320,600
    China 301,000
    Britain 292,100
    I see a huge difference in taking related or completely unrelated - despite their human species - people as refugees.

    During the time of the "Iron Curtain" in Eastern Europe, if Czech, Hungarian - even more so Germans came as refugees, this was a completely different issue. Even when there was war Ex-Jugoslavia, though this became somewhat more problematic for our society, I felt a certain responsibily and considered it being normal that those people fled to country like Germany, Austria etc.

    One could discuss about repatriation when the original cause for the flight is gone, yet again, to take refuge among neighbors is something "natural".

    Now we are talking about refugees coming from a completely different part of the world, having a completely different racial and cultural background, which doesnt fit and will never fit into Europe, which travel thousands of miles in many cases just to come straight to the heart of Europe. Every refugee traveling thousands of miles to go to a completely foreign country, mostly on illegal pathways, is an economic refugee. Because if he just wants to escape the threat, he should go to the related people next to him.

    Whats that? A sick joke? If you are a refugee, and this can happen to everyone, always go to your related people first. If you are a Pashtu refugee from Afghanistan, go to your kinsmen in Pakistan first - what else?!

    If you are a Tutsi from Kongo, go to Rwanda or Burundi, if you are a Hutu, go to a related Bantu group. Coming from Darfur? The Chad is a good alternative for you. Being Jewish? Well, why the heck do we have an Israel state with all the political problems resulting from it, if most Jews, even those which "take refuge" dont "use it"?

    Chinese refugee? You like a strong state, go to China, you like a more Liberal state - welcome to Taiwan, prefer less corruption and strong law and order principles - hey there is Singapore...

    As for those which being not accepted by their own kin:
    If their own kin doesnt accept them, why should we Europeans import them for no good reason, incorporate them into our communities in which they simply dont fit in!

    Lets help their kin to help the refugees, there are the damned U.N. which cost a lot and do a lot of bad things around the world, being abused as an instrument of plutocratic/US-power in the world, well, they should at least be able to fulfil the damned role for which it was made up - at least in the ideological theory every ignorant school child has to learn...

    As for the US and Canada: They have more space, the question is just whether non-Euro and non-Indian people should settle among the respective groups, which dont think so, at least for the vast majority of non integrable non-Europeans.

    Again, as Europeans, we should always look at what people fit into our countries and bring us a benefit - refugees which aren't neither can only be accepted for a limited time, in limited numbers and with instant repatriation being a fix plan.

    If thats not possible, they shouldnt be let in no matter what and we hsould rather try to make up better conditions in the rest of the world, at least a fair geopolitical system.

    But thats what the Plutocratic Oligarchy and Neoliberal ideology dont want, they want the world to be like that and immigration and refugees being just part of the manipulation. So all people suffer and nobody has a big advantage, but them.

    Its time to be responsible for ourselves, our own children and future first. We did enough damage to it already and mankind won't be saved by our stupid actions, even on the contray, because this rotten and corrupted system has to be broken.

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    What does it cost to transport refugees to western countries and who foots the bill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pallamedes View Post
    What does it cost to transport refugees to western countries and who foots the bill?
    Some thousands dollars, there is an active human trafficking mafia which make a lot of money with refugees which come mostly illegally through various countries, until they reach the Western nations.

    So the poorest and most helpless people almost never make it to the West anyway, its always those which have still enough ressources to travel the large distance on their own costs, which might mean a lot, especially if considering the economic level and currency rates for many of those countries.

    There are known cases of people paying about 5.000 to 10.000 Euro to the trafficking mafia to come to Europe and when they come here, they often burn their documents, so they can't be send back to the country - since their background and identity remains unknown, they can claim everything they want.

    Actually, legal refugees, though there are enough, are just a certain share of the issue, since the illegal ones make in most countries the bulk of the foreign immigration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    Whats that? A sick joke? If you are a refugee, and this can happen to everyone, always go to your related people first. If you are a Pashtu refugee from Afghanistan, go to your kinsmen in Pakistan first - what else?!
    Most refugees are doing that. For example the majority of Afghan refugees end up in Pakistan and Iran. Iraqi refugees end up in Syria and Jordan. The ones who sneak into Europe by boat are just illegal immigrants there for economic reasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    As for the US and Canada: They have more space, the question is just whether non-Euro and non-Indian people should settle among the respective groups, which dont think so, at least for the vast majority of non integrable non-Europeans.
    I'm not worried about some Nepalese refugees coming to the U.S., I'm not thrilled about it but if America wants to be "leading Empire of the world" we have a duty to take in genuine refugees, give them some basic help and when it becomes safe for them to return to their homeland encourage them to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majar View Post
    Refugee populations are one of the burdens of being the leading culture and most interventionist nation in the world.
    Give me break, woman .. And please do not ask if most of them get to enter into Europe, falsifying documents and lying about the real situation, they want to move just for economic reasons, that's all..

    Quote Originally Posted by Majar View Post
    Massive illegal invasion is the real problem.
    Yeah, for sure..

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    Refugees from one of the most oppressive corners of the world are afraid to live in East Denver.

    On Dec. 11, a group of men beat and robbed teenage refugees from Bhutan in east Denver, following them from an RTD bus, according to police.

    Six were beaten, one requiring emergency-room treatment. The attack spread fear among refugees from Bhutan, Burma and elsewhere — who are concentrated in low-rent apartments and have been victims of previous robberies.

    "If they kill me and my son, what will my daughter and wife do?" said Dambar Bhujel, father of an 18-year-old victim, who is now wary of letting his son go to school. "At first, I was happy to come to the United States. After one year, I'm feeling very bad and I don't want to stay longer. But we can't go back to Bhutan and we can't go back to Nepal," Bhujel said. "They told us America was secure."

    The U.S. government granted the refugees special permission to enter the country as protection from persecution in Asia.

    Police increased surveillance on RTD buses after the Dec. 11 attack, which followed several assaults and robberies reported in May. This time when police arrived, about 50 refugees approached. Many spoke little English. "Several members of the group had been assaulted by a large group of black males," the report said.

    No arrests have been made. "It's possible it is bias-motivated," police spokesman Lt. Ron Saunier said. Detectives "are still looking at that aspect of it."
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