The Vlachs in Bosnia

**Scholarios** · 06-21-2014, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Kastrioti1443

This is the strange thing with Hercegovina... it is indeed with average 60-65% I2a2, but it is well documented that Vlachs had their center there...probably slavic males were assimilated with the passing of time.

I don't know exactly the source of this map, but it floats around the internet a lot.

**Stefan_Dusan** · 06-21-2014, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Kastrioti1443

Another thing to be mentioned is that areas where Vlachs settled are quiet dark. However what it is interesting is that Hercegovinians as a whole are probably the tallest people in europe, but they are dark, in general Dinaro-med with CM. On the other hand the vlachs in southern albania or other regions such as Myzeqe are exotic too, but they are short and very alpinoid influenced

Herzegovinians are dark mostly to their lifestyle and climate. The air there is very dry, the sun always shines, and people are mostly outdoors. However if you look at things like "Blue eyes" I don't think there is a difference to other areas of Serbia, I maybe wrong. They are also the tallest of the Balkans I met, but this is mountain life they have adapted to.

**~~Kastrioti1443~~** · 06-21-2014, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

I don't know exactly the source of this map, but it floats around the internet a lot.

It sounds like propaganda, mostly done by hungarians to bash romanians.

**Scholarios** · 06-21-2014, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Stefan_Dusan

The person is saying Serbs are not slavs, and even clearly hints Russians should support Bosnian Muslims over Serbs. I have no idea why Greek Vlachs want to say this about us, but we are not Vlachs, and we don't care to have any connection with them other than friendships in the case of Romania etc.

Actually, I see now at the bottom it says Noel Malcolm wrote it. He was accused of Anti-Serbian bias a lot. I still don't see what's wrong with Serbs being descendant of indigenous Balkanians though. Even if it looks like it's not actually true in the case of Bosnia. I thought it would give them more aboriginal status than the Albanians.

**Stefan_Dusan** · 06-21-2014, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

Actually, I see now at the bottom it says Noel Malcolm wrote it. He was accused of Anti-Serbian bias a lot. I still don't see what's wrong with Serbs being descendant of indigenous Balkanians though. Even if it looks like it's not actually true in the case of Bosnia. I thought it would give them more aboriginal status than the Albanians.

We don't want to be "aboriginal." We want to be Serbs, and Serbs came to the Balkans, at invitation of Byzantine Emperor, in 500-600 AD. Anyways, the only great "aboriginal Balkan" people are the Greeks.

**Scholarios** · 06-21-2014, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Stefan_Dusan

We don't want to be "aboriginal." We want to be Serbs, and Serbs came to the Balkans, at invitation of Byzantine Emperor, in 500-600 AD. Anyways, the only great "aboriginal Balkan" people are the Greeks.

That is a refreshing view to say the least.

**Stefan_Dusan** · 06-21-2014, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

That is a refreshing view to say the least.

It has been the Serbian view. During Austria-Hungarian times, they inherited lots of Serbs through the frontier, and they began to worry about pan-slavism and Serbians relationship to Russia. So they tried to push onto Serbs that we were "Illyrians", they began calling Serbs such, opening universities and political parties with this name, etc but the Serbs resisted and insisted on being called "Slavo-Serbs". We Serbs have a proud history and we have no need to search for a history from other people.

**Diërker** · 06-21-2014, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Stefan_Dusan

It has been the Serbian view. During Austria-Hungarian times, they inherited lots of Serbs through the frontier, and they began to worry about pan-slavism and Serbians relationship to Russia. So they tried to push onto Serbs that we were "Illyrians", they began calling Serbs such, opening universities and political parties with this name, etc but the Serbs resisted and insisted on being called "Slavo-Serbs". We Serbs have a proud history and we have no need to search for a history from other people.

How you know all this, do your parents, relatives teach you about Euro history?

**Stefan_Dusan** · 06-21-2014, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Razić

How you know all this, do your parents, relatives teach you about Euro history?

This particular thing I read in this book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Serbs-Guar.../dp/0880294132

It detailed how Austrians tried to impose on us an identity separating us from slavs, most notably Russians, but Serbs refused and we disregarded it

**Scholarios** · 06-21-2014, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Stefan_Dusan

It has been the Serbian view. During Austria-Hungarian times, they inherited lots of Serbs through the frontier, and they began to worry about pan-slavism and Serbians relationship to Russia. So they tried to push onto Serbs that we were "Illyrians", they began calling Serbs such, opening universities and political parties with this name, etc but the Serbs resisted and insisted on being called "Slavo-Serbs". We Serbs have a proud history and we have no need to search for a history from other people.

It is an interesting point because in any case, out of South Slavs, Serbs do seem swayed by this "nativism" least of all South Slavs (aside from the Bulgarians-proper that is)