Karin Mark on Mongoloid origins of Estonians

[Skandi]

The index of Mongoloidness wouldn't fit on the chart That would be if you take samples in the Russian heartland, Moscow and surrounding areas.

That is unfortunately true in many different countries there is way to much mixing in the large cities.

[Osweo]

The index of Mongoloidness wouldn't fit on the chart That would be if you take samples in the Russian heartland, Moscow and surrounding areas.

Your comments are quite as stupid as Hors's, just his mirror image version.

[Skandi]

All right all of you please keep to the topic and it's merits not eachothers.

[Äike]

Your comments are quite as stupid as Hors's, just his mirror image version.

Well, I'm trying my best. Not only Russians should have the privilege of making stupid comments

[Hors]

Absolutely worthless for your present purposes while treating Finnics in a vacuum.

I would like to see Russians, Balts and Swedes included, as well as some Turkic peoples of the Volga.

Actually, they are included:

http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache...&ct=clnk&gl=ru

Swedes: 4-14
Finns: 12-36
Volga Russians (the highest MI among Russians): 18

MI up to 21 - no Mongoloidness, higher than 80 - no Europeoidness

And Estonian MI is 25

[Äike]

Actually, they are included:

http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache...&ct=clnk&gl=ru

Swedes: 4-14
Finns: 12-36
Volga Russians (the highest MI among Russians): 18

MI up to 21 - no Mongoloidness, higher than 80 - no Europeoidness

And Estonian MI is 25

I did read it. It's the same as with Russian history Being completely different from the true story.

Not very accurate, and the determination of the Mongoloid Index is faulty. Also, Northern Scandinavia has Lapps, you do know that?

Why is that only sources that are written in Russian, make such decisive claims. Also, posting sources that only a handful people on TA understand is quite pointless. Luckily I speak enough Russian and I can say that your source is close to sci-fiction. It's false.

Hors, do you even live in Russia? If you do, then you know that your post is false. If I'd get 1 Euro every time I see a slightly mongoloid Russian, then I wouldn't have to work, I would have to just walk around the Russian ghettos of Tallinn.
I can't say the same for Finns and I have seen quite a few.

Your source also doesn't overlap with other researches.

Now, if you look at this map, then it is quite clearly visible, that Estonia couldn't have a higher "MI" then Russia. As Russia is mongoloid influenced, when Estonia isn't. With a Nordic minority in the NW parts. Now look at Finland, taking Lappish influenced Finns(not pure Finns) from borderline areas such as Northern Finland, can get a quite high max "MI".

[Osweo]

Actually, they are included:
Volga Russians (the highest MI among Russians): 18

MI up to 21 - no Mongoloidness, higher than 80 - no Europeoidness

And Estonian MI is 25

And where is the MI of the Pomors, of various Kazak groups, of the Russians of Perm', of the far southern Russians? All looks pretty incomplete.

Whoever came up with these numbers probably went out of their way to find subjects without a Tatar great grandparent and so on. That's automatically eliminated a good proportion of the Volga population. I won't exaggerate the level of this mixing, but it does exist. I have two good friends with such a background, and it does show a little in the face. It's not really the end of the world to have a dash of this in a population.

21 - 80 is the transitional range? And 25 is the highest Estonian value? Not much to worry about then, anyway. It's minor. And it's just based on phenotype, not blood, so there's plenty of room to explain it by convergent evolution.

Is the so called 'MI' accepted by anyone other than this Mark character?

[Hors]

I did read it. It's the same as with Russian history Being completely different from the true story.

Whatever you say

Not very accurate, and the determination of the Mongoloid Index is faulty.

Karin Mark is an internationally recognized scholar, you're nothing.

Also, Northern Scandinavia has Lapps, you do know that?

Any more idiotic questions?

Why is that only sources that are written in Russian, make such decisive claims.

You're retarded.

Also, posting sources that only a handful people on TA understand is quite pointless. Luckily I speak enough Russian and I can say that your source is close to sci-fiction. It's false.

The text is in English. What are you talking about, looney?

Hors, do you even live in Russia? If you do, then you know that your post is false. If I'd get 1 Euro every time I see a slightly mongoloid Russian, then I wouldn't have to work, I would have to just walk around the Russian ghettos of Tallinn.

The topic is about Estonians being semi-Mongoloid bastards. Deal with it. After that you're free to post scientific, not anecdotal out-ofEstonian-arse-BS, evidence about Russians.

I can't say the same for Finns and I have seen quite a few.

YAAAAAAWN

It also doesn't overlap with other researches.

LOL

Now, if you look at this map, then it is quite clearly visible, that Estonia couldn't have a higher "MI" then Russia. As Russia is mongoloid influenced, when Estonia isn't. With a Nordic minority in the NW parts. Now look at Finland, taking Lappish influenced Finns(not pure Finns) from borderline areas such as Northern Finland, can get a quite high max "MI".

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You're a cretin. And it's not an adhominem. It's a medical fact.

[Hors]

And where is the MI of the Pomors, of various Kazak groups, of the Russians of Perm', of the far southern Russians? All looks pretty incomplete.

Go and get it, if you're interested.

Whoever came up with these numbers probably went out of their way to find subjects without a Tatar great grandparent and so on.

Perhaps.

That's automatically eliminated a good proportion of the Volga population. I won't exaggerate the level of this mixing, but it does exist. I have two good friends with such a background, and it does show a little in the face. It's not really the end of the world to have a dash of this in a population.

Who cares. They're not Russian.

21 - 80 is the transitional range? And 25 is the highest Estonian value? Not much to worry about then, anyway. It's minor.

You hear Karl? The international opinion says Estonians have visible Eurasian traits! LOL

Not much to worry about then, anyway. It's minor.

As we say in Russian English: to whom how

[Äike]

Whatever you say



Karin Mark is an internationally recognized scholar, you're nothing.



Any more idiotic questions?



You're retarded.



The text is in English. What are you talking about, looney?



The topic is about Estonians being semi-Mongoloid bastards. Deal with it. After that you're free to post scientific, not anecdotal out-ofEstonian-arse-BS, evidence about Russians.



YAAAAAAWN



LOL





You're a cretin. And it's not an adhominem. It's a medical fact.

This just shows that you got pissed at the fact that I proved your sci-fictional and selective research wrong.