Why did the Ustase

[mysticism]

Most Bosnian Muslims did nothing during WWII. I don't know whether they were just too drunk to notice the crap going on around, or they just didn't like to fight. Not surprised, Bosniaks are kinda indifferent to the things going on around them A 'meh' mentality as it seems

lol! Noone in the western balkans "did nothing" either you were an enemy, or a friend. There were set factions and if you tried to be neutral you'd be used by one side and therefore be defacto in their faction. If you resisted you're dead or flee to western europe.

Most Bosnian Muslims were Partizan, and almost equally in Ustasha. A smaller amount were Serbian Chetniks. And an even smaller were the Nazi SS Handzar.

Most Boslims considered themselves Croats and were used by Pavelic to take out their mutual threat: the Serbs. Boslims identified however the powers wanted them to.

[Methmatician]

Most Boslims considered themselves Croats and were used by Pavelic to take out their mutual threat: the Serbs. Boslims identified however the powers wanted them to.

Hence, the 'meh' mentality

[Sisak]

Zagreb je bio glavni grad koliko ja znam, a za Zagrepčane je bio rekao da su mršavi i da nisu sposobni kao takvi napraviti državu, nisu utemeljitelji države.

[mysticism]

Right. I guess we meant the same thing, just conveyed it differenty.

However I'd say the Bosnian Muslims' "official" nationalist side was the SS Handzar. A unit for Boslims only. This unit was subordinate to the Ustasha, which had more Boslims, so I suppose that's why I consider the Boslims traditionally Ustasha.

I find it interesting how the main three sides in the wars had stark differences in perspective of the yugoslav identity:

Ustasha - All Yugoslavs are Croats, Serbs are Vlachs who speak Croatian
Chetniks - All Yugoslavs are Serbs, Croats/Bosniaks/Macedonians are converted Serbs
Partizans - Nationhood and history don't matter, your region is most important.

This is why I think, so many Montenegrins, Macedonians and Boslims became Partizans I think. Partizanhood bred banana-state regionalism.

[Methmatician]

Right. I guess we meant the same thing, just conveyed it differenty.

However I'd say the Bosnian Muslims' "official" nationalist side was the SS Handzar. A unit for Boslims only. This unit was subordinate to the Ustasha, which had more Boslims, so I suppose that's why I consider the Boslims traditionally Ustasha.

Of course. The Ustaša was an extreme nationalist movement. And since Bosniaks had to only call themselves Croats and they wouldn't be put into the camps, they went along with it.

I find it interesting how the main three sides in the wars had stark differences in perspective of the yugoslav identity:

Ustasha - All Yugoslavs are Croats, Serbs are Vlachs who speak Croatian
Chetniks - All Yugoslavs are Serbs, Croats/Bosniaks/Macedonians are converted Serbs
Partizans - Nationhood and history don't matter, your region is most important.

Actually, The Ustaša still considered Serbs as Croats who were brainwashed by Orthodox Church.

This is why I think, so many Montenegrins, Macedonians and Boslims became Partizans I think. Partizanhood bred banana-state regionalism.

That's another reason why Bosniaks were so pro-Partizan. They didn't have to call themselves by any ethnicity, thus abiding to their ideology. All they had to do was be anti-Fascist.

Not sure about Montenegrin and Macedonians though. Montenegrins were traditionally non-submissive people. They probably joined the Partisans because they didn't like Italian occupation.

And I think the Macedonian partisans weren't a part of the Yugoslav Partisans at first, I think they were a separate movement all together for the most of the war.

[mysticism]

Actually, The Ustaša still considered Serbs as Croats who were brainwashed by Orthodox Church.

Not according to Ante Starcevic and official Ustasha dogma.

That's another reason why Bosniaks were so pro-Partisan. They didn't have to call themselves by any ethnicity, thus abiding to their ideology. All they had to do was be anti-Fascist.

There was no "their" ideology in the Partisans. There was only Partisan ideology. Which was, basically: socialism, destruction of class-differences, atheism, no tradition/nationalism, no individuality, Tito is god.

You could not be a nationalist Bosniak and Partisan at the same time.

Not sure about Montenegrin and Macedonians though. Montenegrins were traditionally non-submissive people. They probably joined the Partisans because they didn't like Italian occupation.

Chetniks weren't submissive either. The difference is, Montenegrins are extremely prideful and regionalist (a symptom of defending a small peace of land for 500 years) and so joining an ideology where their insignificant selo and pile of rocks came first before any king or government was more appealing to them.

And I think the Macedonian partisans weren't a part of the Yugoslav Partisans at first, I think they were a separate movement all together for the most of the war.

They were very partisan and commie, Apolstolski's faction were no different ideologically than the other partisans, whom they were closely coordinated with.

[Mraz]

Of course. The Ustaša was an extreme nationalist movement. And since Bosniaks had to only call themselves Croats and they wouldn't be put into the camps, they went along with it.



Actually, The Ustaša still considered Serbs as Croats who were brainwashed by Orthodox Church.



That's another reason why Bosniaks were so pro-Partizan. They didn't have to call themselves by any ethnicity, thus abiding to their ideology. All they had to do was be anti-Fascist.

Not sure about Montenegrin and Macedonians though. Montenegrins were traditionally non-submissive people. They probably joined the Partisans because they didn't like Italian occupation.

And I think the Macedonian partisans weren't a part of the Yugoslav Partisans at first, I think they were a separate movement all together for the most of the war.

I'm not sure that many Bosniaks joined the Partizans, we were more in Domobranci and Ustasha.

[Sisak]

My granfather and his brother, my father and many people who I know were members of Partizan movement

[Methmatician]

I'm not sure that many Bosniaks joined the Partizans, we were more in Domobranci and Ustasha.

I'm not counting number of Bosniaks in Yugoslav Partisans as compared to other ethnicities. I mean the number of Bosniaks in Partisans to the number of Bosniaks in other armies.

[Mraz]

I'm not counting number of Bosniaks in Yugoslav Partisans as compared to other ethnicities. I mean the number of Bosniaks in Partisans to the number of Bosniaks in other armies.

Have you stats?