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[Albion]

Do you remember around three months ago, when I predicted that you have some short of relation with Turkey? I actually ''accused'' you of being a Turk because of your support for Turkey in the Cyprus issue. It seems I was right

Don't even joke about it. I'll come back as R1b and prove my Britishness.

[Graham]

Albion will end up as a Gypsy or a Turk. Nae Britishnes

Joke aside, hope you get a cool result.

[Azalea]

Don't even joke about it. I'll come back as R1b and prove my Britishness.

Hi. R1b Turk here.

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Hmm, I am wondering if it's worth getting a mtDNA + familyfinder test if you have 23andme test done already?

[Loki]

I'm sorry, but 23andme offers much better value at one price ... and you can have further free analysis done on 23andme raw data through Gedmatch, Eurogenes, etc.

[Graham]

You can still use FTDNA through Gedmatch like 23andme. Don't know about the Admix part.

[Albion]

Hi. R1b Turk here.

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Hmm, I am wondering if it's worth getting a mtDNA + familyfinder test if you have 23andme test done already?

A typically British or NW European subclade of it.

I thought the 23andme test showed y-dna, mtdna and adna anyway?

[Artek]

International shipping for FTDNA was only $6 if I remember right

Yeah, it's something around 6 dollars indeed.

G2a3b1a is quite indo-european in origins, by the way.

[xajapa]

Good. The unusual haplogroup is G2a. The bearer of it goes back a few hundred years, but I think it might be Turkish in origin.

I think haplogroup is originated in the Caucasus region or Anatolia.

[xajapa]

I'm sorry, but 23andme offers much better value at one price ... and you can have further free analysis done on 23andme raw data through Gedmatch, Eurogenes, etc.

True. If one is interested in autosomal dna matches, 23 and me may be the better way to go, while submitting your data to Gedmatch so those from other companies can compare. For y-dna information FTDNA is by far better.

[Albion]

I'm sorry, but 23andme offers much better value at one price ... and you can have further free analysis done on 23andme raw data through Gedmatch, Eurogenes, etc.

I'm not made of money though. I only want a basic aDNA + YDNA test (maybe mtDNA and extended YDNA at a latter date, perhaps if they have a sale on this time next year).
£155 + any other costs (fluctuating exchange rate, etc - although it's been rather constant over the days I've watched it - £ didn't get much stronger so it didn't get any cheaper ) is more than enough. It's nice to know some of your genetics, but I wouldn't spend hundreds of £ on it.

Yeah, it's something around 6 dollars indeed.

G2a3b1a is quite indo-european in origins, by the way.

It's an interesting haplogroup because it survives in some strange areas. It's common in West Asia, but is found very frequently in Neolithic graves and in some mountainous areas. Then there are mysterious subclades of it such as this one:

The G2a2a subgroup (M286) is tiny. Samples indicating British Isles and Turkish ancestry have been identified. The British samples have inconsistent double values for STR marker DYS19 in many cases. M286 was first identified at Stanford University at chromosome position 21151187, and is a mutation from G to A.

How did that subclade get to Britain? I think crusaders brought back people with them (Armenians or Anatolian Greeks?). I know in a village nearby there is an old tale that a lot of the men descend from 'Turks' brought back as prisoners / hostages during the crusades. I never took that seriously though - it'd be interesting to test people there though.

I've done a bit of research into the lineage that carries my surname and G2a (haven't proven a link though, I've only gone back ~100 with my ancestry so far). Apparently that family was common in a village in the next county and were originally joiners and latter invested in the canals (there's a bridge named after them in the village) and a branch headed north and opened mills in Northern England.


But G2a is rare in Britain, but commonest in Wales where it is at 4%. In England it's something like 2 or 3%. Some could be from the Neolithic, although I personally think most is Roman (which would account for the higher frequency in Wales) or more recent.
G2a is more common in Southern Europe. It's patterns looks a bit like Neolithic enclaves, it's lower numbers in the Balkans could be due to the Neolithic developing there largely from cultural diffusion than migrations. In Italy some of it could be Etruscan (if they came from Anatolia), and the Rhaetians in the Alps could have been descended from Etruscans which could account for some of it there.


This is what I mean about R1b though - there's no mystery to it, it's not so interesting. I2a2 is an interesting subclade because it's working out whether it's Neolithic or Germanic derived in the British Isles.