Britain Is More Germanic than It thinks

[Neon Knight]

"IF" being of key importance here. Germans are not majority Germanic. Only ca. 1/3 of German Y-DNA is Germanic. Matches for British DNA come from West-South Germany, which were Celtic areas in ancient times.

So this is mostly ancient Celtic DNA living in modern Germans.

When we ask "How Germanic are the English/British?" we mean how much DNA do they have in common with modern Germans and Scandinavians, regardless of what tribes those peoples were descended from. Yes, we can now see that having German type DNA does not necessarily mean descended from Germanic tribes (as in the case of the Welsh for example).

[Neon Knight]

Genetically, the Germanic .V. Celtic debate seems outdated now and it is really Germanic .V. Gallic. Well, we are all about half Scando-German and half Gallic, and since this basic combination has existed for over a thousand years then I think it deserves its own identity, so we can just call it British or Britannic.

[Ebeneezer]

I don't now why people keep posting pie charts in here that show the percentages of Y DNA haplogroups that men inherit. ancestry composition isn't based on haplogroups; it is based on autosomal DNA. perhaps people inherit some autosomal DNA from their X and Y, but not from their mtDNA. if I placed peoples' X, Y and mtDNA on a pie chart, they would be three tiny little slivers and the rest of the pie would be filled in with autosomal DNA. here is a link to a royal society exhibit pdf that shows the percentages of autosomal DNA that Europeans inherit. 4,371 people provided blood samples that were tested, and 600,000 single nucleotide polymorphism markers were scanned for each sample. as you can see, Germanic autosomal DNA represents less than half of the autosomal DNA in England. the percentages are less in wales and Scotland. APPARENTLY BRITAIN IS LESS GERMANIC THAN IT THINKS!



https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...ul%202012d.pdf

[Ebeneezer]

the maps on pages 6 & 8 of the royal society exhibit pdf seem to prove the irish and british histories concerning their origins. the british histories state that they are descended from a Trojan named brutus who was closely related to Italians, and the numbers on the maps indicate lines of descent from Italians (numbers 13 &14) to Spanish (#15), French (numbers 15, 16 & 17) and ancient Britons (numbers 16 & 17). on the other hand, the irish histories state that they are descended from scythians and the numbers on the maps indicate lines of descent from germans (#23) directly to the irish (#24). very interesting!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...ul%202012d.pdf

[Peterski]

I don't now why people keep posting pie charts in here that show the percentages of Y DNA haplogroups that men inherit. ancestry composition isn't based on haplogroups; it is based on autosomal DNA.

In terms of autosomal DNA English people are actually even less Germanic than in terms of Y-DNA.

Genetically, the Germanic .V. Celtic debate seems outdated now and it is really Germanic .V. Gallic.

Why would that be ???

Gauls were just one of subdivisions of Celts, like Danes are one of subdivisions of Germanic people.

[Peterski]

It'd be interesting to see how prevalent U106 was in Britain in the Iron Age with more aDNA samples. I mean the two have so far are both R1b-L21, but two is a minute sample.

Are there two samples of R1b-L21 in aDNA from Iron Age Britain?

Which study described these samples?

[Ebeneezer]

who cares about R1b? that is the Y haplogroup that was common among the Egyptians who were destroyed in the plagues. Y haplogroup R is most common among roman catholics in Europe today. you can actually draw lines along the boundaries where Y haplogroup R and roman Catholicism are most common and where Y haplogroup I and Protestantism are most common. it is obvious that Y haplogroup R is Egypt and that Y haplogroup I represents the ten northern tribes of israel that were cut off in 2 Kings 17. the autosomals of the two people are basically the same, with egyptians being more akin to ultra-celts (Y haplogroup R) and Israelites being more akin to germanics (Y haplogroup I).

if you look at a Y DNA phylogenetic haplogroup tree "right side up," then it should show that blacks are directly descended from monkeys and that the rest of the human family are descended from blacks in the bogus 'out of africa' theory. but if you turn the phylogenetic haplogroup tree upside down, then Y haplogroup R plots to the left-hand side of the tree with the rest of the japhetic haplogroups (native americans, east Asians, etc.), the semitic haplogroups plot in the middle and the hamitic haplogroups plot on the right-hand side. that is interesting, because the bible states that Japheth was the eldest of noah's side (haplogroups on left-hand side as eldest son), that shem was the middle son (middle haplogroups as middle son) and that ham was the youngest son (haplogroups on right-hand side as youngest son).

Japheth as eldest son and Shem as middle son:

Genesis 10:21King James Version (KJV)

21 Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born.

Ham as youngest son:

Genesis 9:22-24King James Version (KJV)

22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

To uncover the nakedness of your dad means that you've had sex with your mother:

Leviticus 20:11King James Version (KJV)

11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

[Ebeneezer]

Litvin: any half wit roman catholic pole should know that the Jesuits shut down the orthodox eastern bloc with atheism and communism so that Britain would caught in the middle of a controversy between celts who collaborate with one another to sell out british prods, and Nazis. if the Jesuits can't punish the bible believers in England and wales through the gaelic celtic agenda, then they will work through the germanics and Nazism. the papacy worked through the german invasion of Poland to force the british to create a national homeland for fake jews so that it could attempt to fulfill its false system of prophecy (futurism) with the rebuilding of the Jerusalem temple. what are we seeing now? we're seeing a Jesuit pope visit the holy land in attempts to rebuild that temple under the guise of bringing peace to that region.

[Neon Knight]

In terms of autosomal DNA English people are actually even less Germanic than in terms of Y-DNA.



Why would that be ???

Gauls were just one of subdivisions of Celts, like Danes are one of subdivisions of Germanic people.

I mean in terms of racially Celtic and racially Germanic - there was already crossover before the AngloSaxons came.

[Jackson]

Are there two samples of R1b-L21 in aDNA from Iron Age Britain?

Which study described these samples?

It isn't out yet, but the Hinxton samples were released to the public domain before the paper, and the two Iron Age ones both seem to be R1b-L21. We'll be able to read about it in more detail when the paper comes out. It's the one by Schiffels et al - 'Insights into British and European population history from ancient DNA sequencing of Iron Age and Anglo-Saxon samples from Hinxton, England.'