Oracle-4 on Gedmatch

[chestbrah]

Does anyone know if "east med" means North African?

[Alessio]

I think it's more concentrated in Greece, Levant and the near East. You should ask Sikeliot

Does anyone know if "east med" means North African?

[Rochefaton]

North-East-European 47.85
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 33.43
West-Asian 7.92
North-European-Mesolithic 6.39
Indo-Iranian 2.20
Near_East 1.54
Indian 0.66

1 German_V @ 3.756
2 CEU_V @ 4.270
3 Austrian @ 5.407
4 CEU @ 5.650
5 Welsh @ 5.876
6 Norwegian_V @ 6.667
7 British @ 6.812
8 Hungarian @ 7.242
9 German-North @ 8.109
10 Swedish @ 8.112

1 50% CEU +50% Hungarian @ 3.014
2 50% CEU +50% German_V @ 3.036
3 50% German_V +50% Norwegian_V @ 3.132
4 50% Norwegian_V +50% Serbian @ 3.133
5 50% Bosnian +50% Norwegian_V @ 3.211
6 50% German-South +50% Swedish @ 3.273
7 50% British +50% Hungarian @ 3.298
8 50% German +50% German-South @ 3.337
9 50% Montenegrin +50% Swedish_V @ 3.345
10 50% British +50% German @ 3.367

1 50% Norwegian_V +25% Kosovar +25% Russian_South @ 1.927
2 50% Norwegian_V +25% Kosovar +25% Ukrainian-East @ 1.964
3 50% Norwegian_V +25% Kosovar +25% Polish_V @ 2.044
4 50% Norwegian_V +25% German-North +25% Romania @ 2.049
5 50% Swedish +25% Norwegian_V +25% Romania @ 2.068
6 50% Swedish +25% British +25% Gagauz @ 2.078
7 50% Swedish +25% CEU +25% Gagauz @ 2.081
8 50% Norwegian_V +25% German_V +25% Serbian @ 2.105
9 50% Swedish +25% Gagauz +25% Orcadian @ 2.115
10 50% Swedish +25% CEU +25% Romania @ 2.117

1 Kosovar + Norwegian_V + Norwegian_V + Russian_South @ 1.927
2 British + Gagauz + Swedish + Swedish_V @ 1.933
3 German-North + Norwegian_V + Romania + Swedish @ 1.954
4 Kosovar + Norwegian_V + Swedish_V + Ukrainian-Center @ 1.956
5 Kosovar + Norwegian_V + Norwegian_V + Ukrainian-East @ 1.964
6 German_V + Norwegian_V + Romania + Swedish_V @ 1.988
7 British + German-North + Romania + Swedish_V @ 2.021
8 CEU_V + Norwegian_V + Romania + Swedish @ 2.040
9 German_V + Norwegian_V + Romania + Swedish @ 2.043
10 Kosovar + Norwegian_V + Norwegian_V + Polish_V @ 2.044
11 German-North + Norwegian_V + Norwegian_V + Romania @ 2.049
12 British + Romania + Swedish + Swedish_V @ 2.054
13 CEU + Gagauz + Swedish + Swedish_V @ 2.060
14 Norwegian_V + Romania + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.068
15 British + Gagauz + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.078
16 CEU + German-North + Romania + Swedish_V @ 2.081
17 CEU + Gagauz + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.081
18 Kosovar + Norwegian_V + Swedish + Ukrainian-Center @ 2.097
19 CEU + French + Latvian_V + Norwegian_V @ 2.101
20 German_V + Norwegian_V + Norwegian_V + Serbian @ 2.105

[chestbrah]

I think it's more concentrated in Greece, Levant and the near East. You should ask Sikeliot

That is what I think too but I just find it strange on the population sharing I am closer to the Berbers rathern than a Sicilian or Greek..so I am thinking that in my case it could just mean North African but I don't know haha

[Alessio]

No that's hard when you're Hispanic. It must be hard tracing down all your ancestors origins within 300 years.
I'd say recent Canarian ancestors, but who knows..

That is what I think too but I just find it strange on the population sharing I am closer to the Berbers rathern than a Sicilian or Greek..so I am thinking that in my case it could just mean North African but I don't know haha

[Alessio]

Koreans must be some sort of inbreed people (in a positive sense).
A distance of 0.000, I personally never have seen such a close distance at a 1 population app. setting.

Jtest

My Dad's:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 DK @ 3.538
2 Orcadian @ 4.447
3 NL @ 4.464
4 NO @ 4.522
5 English @ 4.751
6 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 5.604
7 Cornish @ 5.725
8 IE @ 5.934
9 West_&_Central_German @ 6.255
10 Scottish @ 6.908


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cornish +50% NO @ 1.490
2 50% Cornish +50% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 1.941
3 50% English +50% NO @ 2.181
4 50% NO +50% Orcadian @ 2.195
5 50% Orcadian +50% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.488
6 50% DK +50% Orcadian @ 2.584
7 50% IE +50% NO @ 2.680
8 50% NL +50% NO @ 2.861
9 50% IE +50% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.933
10 50% Cornish +50% DK @ 3.025




My Mom's:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 KR @ 0.000
2 Japanese @ 3.732
3 Northern_Han_Chinese @ 11.803
4 Chinese @ 18.100
5 KZ @ 61.194
6 Chukchi @ 86.874
7 Koryak @ 89.001
8 RO @ 90.907
9 Udmurt @ 91.026
10 Serbian @ 91.269


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% KR +50% KR @ 0.000
2 50% Japanese +50% KR @ 2.301
3 50% Japanese +50% Japanese @ 3.732
4 50% Japanese +50% Northern_Han_Chinese @ 4.068
5 50% KR +50% Northern_Han_Chinese @ 5.466
6 50% Chinese +50% Japanese @ 7.208
7 50% Chinese +50% KR @ 8.614
8 50% Northern_Han_Chinese +50% Northern_Han_Chinese @ 11.803
9 50% Chinese +50% Northern_Han_Chinese @ 14.951
10 50% Chinese +50% Chinese @ 18.100



Mine:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 KZ @ 32.013
2 AT @ 45.048
3 HU @ 45.058
4 Serbian @ 46.053
5 West_&_Central_German @ 46.117
6 Japanese @ 46.316
7 NL @ 46.416
8 FR @ 46.442
9 RO @ 46.444
10 Cornish @ 46.747


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Japanese +50% Scottish @ 4.248
2 50% Japanese +50% Orcadian @ 4.252
3 50% Cornish +50% Japanese @ 4.385
4 50% IE +50% Japanese @ 4.692
5 50% KR +50% Orcadian @ 4.848
6 50% KR +50% Scottish @ 4.850
7 50% DK +50% Japanese @ 4.943
8 50% Cornish +50% KR @ 4.971
9 50% IE +50% KR @ 5.241
10 50% Japanese +50% NL @ 5.292









EUtest

My Dad's:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 DK @ 4.262
2 NO @ 4.323
3 Orcadian @ 4.860
4 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 5.392
5 NL @ 5.573
6 IE @ 5.644
7 English @ 5.890
8 Cornish @ 6.469
9 Scottish @ 7.068
10 West_&_Central_German @ 7.233


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% IE +50% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.119
2 50% NO +50% Orcadian @ 2.427
3 50% IE +50% NO @ 2.475
4 50% Cornish +50% NO @ 2.520
5 50% Cornish +50% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.547
6 50% Orcadian +50% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.708
7 50% Scottish +50% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.988
8 50% NO +50% Scottish @ 3.024
9 50% English +50% NO @ 3.322
10 50% DK +50% IE @ 3.390




My Mom's:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 KR @ 0.000
2 Japanese @ 3.732
3 North_Han_Chinese @ 11.803
4 Chinese @ 18.362
5 KZ @ 61.253
6 Chukchi @ 86.874
7 Koryak @ 89.001
8 Udmurt @ 91.058
9 RO @ 91.459
10 Komi @ 91.615


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% KR +50% KR @ 0.000
2 50% Japanese +50% KR @ 2.301
3 50% Japanese +50% Japanese @ 3.732
4 50% Japanese +50% North_Han_Chinese @ 4.068
5 50% KR +50% North_Han_Chinese @ 5.466
6 50% Chinese +50% Japanese @ 7.339
7 50% Chinese +50% KR @ 8.746
8 50% North_Han_Chinese +50% North_Han_Chinese @ 11.803
9 50% Chinese +50% North_Han_Chinese @ 15.082
10 50% Chinese +50% Chinese @ 18.362





Mine:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 KZ @ 32.155
2 HU @ 45.147
3 AT @ 45.183
4 Serbian @ 46.111
5 West_&_Central_German @ 46.153
6 NL @ 46.494
7 Japanese @ 46.499
8 North_Swedish @ 46.528
9 FR @ 46.640
10 RO @ 46.666


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cornish +50% Japanese @ 4.291
2 50% Japanese +50% Orcadian @ 4.342
3 50% Japanese +50% Scottish @ 4.406
4 50% IE +50% Japanese @ 4.607
5 50% Cornish +50% KR @ 4.882
6 50% KR +50% Orcadian @ 4.921
7 50% KR +50% Scottish @ 4.982
8 50% DK +50% Japanese @ 5.096
9 50% Japanese +50% NL @ 5.125
10 50% IE +50% KR @ 5.160

[Alessio]

Why do you think Ukranian is on nr.2 here for my mum's K7b results?

Oracle single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Dutch (Dodecad) 2.17
2 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 2.87
3 German (Dodecad) 3.03
4 Argyll (1000Genomes) 3.07
5 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 3.63
6 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 3.66
7 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 4.05
8 Irish (Dodecad) 4.12
9 Polish (Dodecad) 4.2
10 Orcadian (HGDP) 4.29
11 Kent (1000Genomes) 4.37
12 Orkney (1000Genomes) 4.58
13 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 4.62
14 British (Dodecad) 4.7
15 British_Isles (Dodecad) 4.77
16 English (Dodecad) 4.77
17 Belorussian (Behar) 6.49
18 Norwegian (Dodecad) 6.54
19 Swedish (Dodecad) 6.86
20 Russian_B (Behar) 7.45

4-Ancestors Oracle:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dutch @ 2.359
2 Argyll @ 3.160
3 German @ 3.393
4 Ukranians @ 3.708
5 CEU30 @ 3.903
6 Irish @ 4.291
7 Mixed_Slav @ 4.308
8 Polish @ 4.336
9 Mixed_Germanic @ 4.418
10 Orcadian @ 4.451
223 iterations.

I think the higher resolution ones might be more accurate for my family because they split northern Europe up a bit. So instead of going in one line (basically north-south) as is the case in K7b and World9 it actually gives another dimension within northern Europe. That is useful because it means that if i have less 'Atlantic Baltic' (which i do) then i don't end up as British Isles + southern European/Near eastern, but i end up with a much more precise location for that extra ancestry.

So instead of having a general 'southern pull', i can actually see roughly where that pull should come from, so it's a lot less vague. That east-west split in northern Europe is also useful because it kind of stops northern Europe being so linear (especially when Caucasus and Gedrosia are combined) and allows it to sort of spread out sideways.

But anyway i'm off to bed. I think in my order of most to least consistent/accurate/reliable (top 5) it is, because splitting Europe east/west adds that finer detail, even though it is explaining a bit less variation than just a north-south split (the genetic divide is apparently larger between northern and southern Europe than between Eastern and western?):

EUtest
Jtest
K12b
K7b
Harappaworld

[Atlantic Islander]

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 29.28
2 North_Sea 23.63
3 West_Med 21.68
4 East_Med 12.63
5 Red_Sea 3.45
6 Baltic 3.25
7 Eastern_Euro 2.66
8 Northeast_African 2.19
9 West_Asian 1.24

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Murcia @ 4.723
2 Portuguese @ 5.236
3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.293
4 Spanish_Cataluna @ 6.125
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 6.350
6 Spanish_Galicia @ 7.088
7 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 8.270
8 Spanish_Valencia @ 8.360
9 Spanish_Cantabria @ 8.719
10 Spanish_Andalucia @ 9.353

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Portuguese +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.487
2 50% Spanish_Murcia +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.723
3 50% Spanish_Extremadura +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.837
4 50% Spanish_Galicia +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.838
5 50% Portuguese +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.027
6 50% Spanish_Cataluna +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.088
7 50% Portuguese +50% Portuguese @ 5.236
8 50% Spanish_Cataluna +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.253
9 50% Spanish_Extremadura +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.293
10 50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.306

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Galicia +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.431
2 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.477
3 50% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.487
4 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Portuguese +25% Portuguese @ 4.487
5 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.599
6 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.601
7 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Extremadura +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.626
8 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.684
9 50% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Extremadura +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.718
10 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.723

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.431
2 Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.477
3 Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.487
4 Portuguese + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.599
5 Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.601
6 Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.626
7 Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.684
8 Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.718
9 Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.723
10 Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.734
11 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.738
12 Portuguese + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.754
13 Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.803
14 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.805
15 Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.811
16 Portuguese + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.812
17 Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.817
18 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.832
19 Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.837
20 Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.838

[Atlantic Islander]

Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 40.85
2 West_Med 25.92
3 East_Med 15.07
4 Baltic 9.84
5 Red_Sea 3.69
6 West_Asian 1.96
7 Northeast_African 1.34
8 Sub-Saharan 1.32

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Murcia @ 1.907
2 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.813
3 Portuguese @ 3.353
4 Spanish_Valencia @ 3.510
5 Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.523
6 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.098
7 Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.187
8 Spanish_Galicia @ 4.913
9 Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.986
10 Spanish_Aragon @ 6.382

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Murcia +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.907
2 50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.934
3 50% Portuguese +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.205
4 50% Spanish_Murcia +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.358
5 50% Spanish_Extremadura +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.373
6 50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.494
7 50% Spanish_Cataluna +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.546
8 50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.580
9 50% Portuguese +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.624
10 50% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.660

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.784
2 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.899
3 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.907
4 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.918
5 50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.934
6 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.934
7 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.951
8 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.952
9 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.997
10 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.999

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.784
2 Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.899
3 Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.907
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.918
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.934
6 Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.951
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.952
8 Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.997
9 Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.999
10 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.008
11 Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.009
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.062
13 Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.080
14 Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.084
15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.092
16 Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.096
17 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.101
18 Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.105
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.120
20 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.138

[Alessio]

You average out as a Northern Italian just like me. Only your 2 population app. is Mozabite berber/English. Facinating!

Does anyone know if "east med" means North African?