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    Quote Originally Posted by sevruk View Post
    No, "East" nordid phenotype is native to eastern Europe.
    Yes you are right, most of the east nordid "arrived" in Eastern Europe recently with the Slavs, but they also existed prior to the Slavs.
    Here is the skull of people who lived in Eastern Europe and Asia millenniums ago



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    Reconstruction of the women who lived the territory of Russia from 30 thousand years BC and ending with the 16th century

    Thanks for the information.
    I thought you mention "eastern Russia" first, not eastern Europe. Of course they are natives to many areas of eastern Europe, but not in North Asia.

    There's actually a discussion of those ancient East Nordid you showed were of the Corded Ware type, which is more robust than my East Nordid morph, but still very leptomorph. One guy suggested to me there are two different types of East Nordid..the gracile and the corded one...but not sure about that as there's little information on it.

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    Very interesting. Nice work.

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    Excellent work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rossignol View Post
    1. BERID



    Description:
    Low-skulled, pyknomorphic and somewhat reduced Mediterranid-Cro-Magnoid intermediate type. Went through some process of alpinization, but still contains a lot of cromagnid features. Related to other cromagnid types such as Paleo Atlantid in the North and Berberid in the South.

    Body:
    Short to Medium height, Endomorph to Mesomorph

    Status:
    Core region in the mountainous regions of the Southern Iberian Peninsular and South Italy, especially Sardinia. Nowadays also found in North and South America, although much less frequent than Gracil Mediterranid and other adjacient types.

    2. BASKID



    Description:
    Ancient, dinariform, mostly Atlanto-Mediterranid type associated with the Basques. It is the most western extension of dinariform types and contains some crogmagnid elements, too. Pigmentation and hair color variable from black to red and blond hair.

    Body:
    Medium height to tall, Mesomorph

    Status:
    The Baskid type is restricted to Northern Spain and South West France. It is rare outside of this region. One of the most seldom European phenotypes.

    3. GRACILE MEDITERRANID (Synonyms: Ibero-Insular, Mediterranid, Small Mediterranean, West-Mediterranean)



    Description:
    The "typical Mediterranids" or "Mediterranids proper" of the northern Mediterranean coast and adjacent territories. They are characterized by a medium to short, gracile skeleton, mesomorphy and a small skull. Gracile-Mediterranids are relatively dark compared to Europeans in general.

    Body:
    Short to Medium height, Ektomorph

    Status:
    The Gracil Mediterranid type is an important population element in the Iberian peninsula and in South Italy, along the western European coast. Nowadays it can also be found in North and South America and other parts of the world in multitudinous blends. This type is frequent and its population is stable.

    4. ATLANTO-MEDITERRANID



    Description:
    Straight-nosed and strongly dolichocephalic Mediterranid type, the living equivalent of the skeletal Megalithic type. Blend between Atlantid and Gracil Mediterranid. It is markedly taller and more robust than the Gracilmediterranid type, by which it is outnumbered and often mixed.

    Body:
    Medium height to tall, Ektomorph

    Status:
    The Atlanto Mediterranid type is an important population element in the Northern Iberian peninsula, in Italy, and northward along the western European coast. Nowadays it can also be found in North and South America and other parts of the world. This type is frequent and its population is stable.

    5. ATLANTID (Synonyms: Nordo-Mediterranid)



    Description:
    A blend between North Atlantid and Atlantomediterranid, typically of dark pigmentation. Found throughout western Europe, particularly along the coast of France. Often in blends with Alpinid, Dinarid, Baskid and other adjacient types. A common type in the French.

    Body:
    Medium height, Ektomorph

    Status:
    Traditionally found across regions of Atlantic coast, common for France. Nowadays it can also be found in North America and Australia.

    6. NORTH ATLANTID (Synonyms: Northwestern)

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    Description:
    Predominantly Nordid (Keltic Nordid) blend with Atlantid. Associated with megalithic (Celtic) monuments and long barrow burial sites. North Atlantids are typically dark-haired and light-eyed, and constitute an important element in the British Isles, and particularly in Wales. Sometimes found in Scandinavia, West Germany and France.

    Body:
    Medium height to Tall, Ektomorph

    Status:
    Traditionally found across regions of Northwestern Europe. Nowadays it can also be found in North America and Australia.

    7. PALEO-ATLANTID (Synonyms Tydal, Cromagnid)



    Description:
    Cromagnid aboriginal of Western Europe with a dark Paris airport private transfer pigmentation for Northwestern European standards. Related to Dalofaelids, Brünns and Berids. Resembles the Paleolithic Cro Magnons. In Norway represented by the Tydal type. Robust, short-legged and long-armed, and dolichocephalic.

    Body:
    Tall, Mesomorph

    Status:
    Small isolated populations of this type have been living in Norway, Wales and Scotland for millennia. Nowadays the type is dispersed all around Western Europe as a result of increased mobility. Nowhere found in any significant concentration. Paleo Atlantid elements exist in Germany and France, too.

    (Source: http://www.humanphenotypes.com)

    I'm thinking of the traditional ones, Nordid, Cromagnid, Alpinid, Baltid, Dinarid, Mediterranid(robust and gracile), and Atlantid.

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    Is this man an example of Celtic - West European and Central European style ?

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    Bullshit.

    Berid is more found in some little percentage in Spain and Sardinia, but Sardinia is more West-Med with Atlantid, Dinarid and other European subtype influence.
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    This is all nonsense because it's mixing and matching terms created by different authors. Taxons of different authors are not compatible with each other because they often use the same term to mean different things, different terms to mean the same thing, or they distribute their boundaries differently so that some of their definitions partially overlap with the definitions of other authors. Online users tried to make them all fit together by inventing fake definitions for the majority of these terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goobyski View Post
    Anyway, saying Western Europeans are the purest Europeans because they had less contact with non-Europeans and Eastern Europeans are the least Europeans because they are mixed with Mongoloids is just ridiculous. Someone need to look up on genetics before they know what they're talking about.
    I personally believe a Europeans whether Northern, Southern, Eastern or Western are essentially Europeans. Others believe due to the fact that Eastern Europe is closer to Asia than the rest of Europe or that Southern Europe is closer to the Middle-East and Northern Africa, they aren't pure, and the epitome of "whiteness" is in North-West Europe which was more isolated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goobyski View Post
    Anyway, saying Western Europeans are the purest Europeans because they had less contact with non-Europeans and Eastern Europeans are the least Europeans because they are mixed with Mongoloids is just ridiculous. Someone need to look up on genetics before they know what they're talking about.
    Let's go to genetics and see for ourselves where the "epitome of whiteness" truly lays.
    We can see the average DNA of specific European population and will show what regions of the world has more affinities with it.
    We shall a typically Eastern European, Southern European and then a Western and Central European population then compare them.

    Russians DNA
    59% Eastern Europe
    9% Central Asia
    8% Finland and Northern Siberia
    6% Western and Central Europe
    5% Jewish Diaspora
    4% Asia Minor
    4% Scandinavia
    3% Southern Europe
    2% Eastern Asia

    Iberian DNA
    74% Southern Europe
    9% Northern Africa
    5% Western and Central Europe
    5% Jewish Diaspora
    4% Asia Minor
    2% Great Britain and Ireland

    Dutch DNA
    59% Western and Central Europe
    19% Great Britain and Ireland
    13% Scandinavia
    6% Eastern Europe
    3% Southern Europe

    Now who is more European? You can answer that question yourself. In my opinion all European native population are European regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    Let's go to genetics and see for ourselves where the "epitome of whiteness" truly lays.
    We can see the average DNA of specific European population and will show what regions of the world has more affinities with it.
    We shall a typically Eastern European, Southern European and then a Western and Central European population then compare them.

    Russians DNA
    59% Eastern Europe
    9% Central Asia
    8% Finland and Northern Siberia
    6% Western and Central Europe
    5% Jewish Diaspora
    4% Asia Minor
    4% Scandinavia
    3% Southern Europe
    2% Eastern Asia

    Iberian DNA
    74% Southern Europe
    9% Northern Africa
    5% Western and Central Europe
    5% Jewish Diaspora
    4% Asia Minor
    2% Great Britain and Ireland

    Dutch DNA
    59% Western and Central Europe
    19% Great Britain and Ireland
    13% Scandinavia
    6% Eastern Europe
    3% Southern Europe

    Now who is more European? You can answer that question yourself. In my opinion all European native population are European regardless.
    https://youtu.be/Z0l0wtNmylI

    So you are wrong. Even if the most European genes are found in people here, that doesn't exclude asiatic genes and traits.

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