Mehdi "Mikhailo" Huseynzade, a Partizan of Azerbaijani Turk descent

[legolasbozo]

Hm maybe it's a cultural thing. Some countries have war heroes, others praise partizans who fought without ethics, moral and beyond all international laws.

If our German army were as 'evil' as you say, your cheap 'hero' haven't seen a German PoW camp where he survived for 1,5 years in good shape but had been shot on spot like in all the horror stories about our people.

you always talk about barbarian turks, vandal muslims, but germany invaded entire continent. not even one muslim. So admit your history, get over your it, instead of attacking us.

[Methmatician]

not even one muslim.

Islam invaded three continents actually

[Partizan]

I'm sorry but guerilla fighters and partizans deserve such fate. No army on the world ever accepted and accepts guerilla fighters and partizan warfare of people who don't use uniforms.
So he was kept in fair and not inhumane conditions in a German PoW camp. If he were weak from starvation or mistreatment he couldn't manage to escape. No guilt on the Germans there!

Partizans are mostly last chance of people, when armies and states can't protect them. This guy's story is an interesting one, though. He fought for a land, a people which has almost nothing similar with him. I generally like to glorify patriotic/nationalist Turks who fought for motherland but this guy deserves a mention since his story is interesting and a good example of an "internationalist" hero. Most of people(no matter of nation and religion) would prefer to stay in POW camps and have good dialogue with whoever imprisons them, for being treated better. Not everybody would have guts to escape and almost nobody would think about fighting for a foreign people(and even sacrificing his life for the sake of them).

He used the uniform of a German officer? In all countries and armies of the world, such act leads to a death penalty, above all in war times! The US army did the same, and the Russians too.

If you read all of story, he is not a guy who would give a flying f*ck to being executed.

What an asshole!? These Germans were not in action and not on a mission, and very likely unarmed on that evening.

It is modern warfare, Leylacım. We aren't in good ole' days while people were fighting chest to chest with swords. In my book, bombing a barracks in night is not a "brave" thing either, in Medieval standards of course. It is the world where a guy who sits in front of a missile control can kill tens of thousands of people with only one click. However, the guy in story could have been caught or harm himself while sabotaging. He dashed himself to death.

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Coward act. If such things happens then no one shall be surprised that an army decides to undertake cruel acts as a form of revenge. Human nature is out of control in war times and coward terrorist acts just raise the hate and anger.

Are you insane?

You planed and then tried to wipe out tens of millions and here you are whining about "German superior morals"

Our freedoms we owe to men like him, men who did what ever it took to force you sick genocidal bastards out of our lands.

Second this post.

[Gospodine]

Thanks Leliana for hijacking this thread with some kind of apologist diatribe for Germany's actions in WW2.

What in the hell does that have to do with asymmetrical warfare as a force multiplier in desperate conditions?

But hey, if you want to play holier-than-thou...

He used the uniform of a German officer? In all countries and armies of the world, such act leads to a death penalty, above all in war times!

The Gleiwitz incident (German: Überfall auf den Sender Gleiwitz; Polish: Prowokacja gliwicka) was a staged attack by Nazi forces posing as Poles on 31 August 1939, against the German radio station Sender Gleiwitz in Gleiwitz, Upper Silesia, Germany (since 1945: Gliwice, Poland) on the eve of World War II in Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

Operation Himmler (less often known as Operation Konserve or Operation Canned Goods) was a false flag project planned by Nazi Germany to create the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany, which was subsequently used by Nazi propaganda to justify the invasion of Poland. Operation Himmler was arguably the first act of the Second World War in Europe.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Himmler

Operation Greif was a special false flag operation commanded by Waffen-SS commando Otto Skorzeny during the Battle of the Bulge. The operation was the brainchild of Adolf Hitler, and its purpose was to capture one or more of the bridges over the Meuse river before they could be destroyed. German soldiers, wearing captured British & US Army uniforms and using captured vehicles were to cause confusion in the rear of the Allied lines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Greif

It should be noted these German infiltrators also spoke excellent, American-accented English to further their deceitful tactics.

Coward act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/36th_Wa..._the_SS#Poland

Dirlewanger's preferred method of operation was to gather civilians in a barn, set it on fire and shoot with machine guns anyone who tried to escape; the victims of his unit numbered about 30,000.

"the Dirlewanger brigade burned prisoners alive with gasoline, impaled babies on bayonets and stuck them out of windows and hung women upside down from balconies."[24]

This is the same Oskar Dirlewanger who raped two 13-year old girls, practiced necrophilia and who tried to escape Germany at the end of the war dressed as a civilian under a false name.

Honourable until the very end.








^ More non-cowardly behaviour.

If such things happens then no one shall be surprised that an army decides to undertake cruel acts as a form of revenge. Human nature is out of control in war times and coward terrorist acts just raise the hate and anger.

These "cruel acts as a form of revenge"; do they fully abide by the Geneva Convention and other "Laws of War" which you seem to hold in such high esteem (as quoted below)?

Partizans are not included in international war laws. They act outside of war laws, they are treated outside of war laws.

You can't have it both ways. Either you abide by rules and regulations to the letter or you don't at all.

Nobody wins a Nobel Prize for "Attempted Peace".

Germany's high moral ground went out the window on the day of the Gleiwitz Incident in 1939.

Hell it went out the window the day the Reichstag burned down because it had been deliberately set on the fire by the Nazis so that Hitler could pass the Enabling Act and gain control of Germany.

"War Laws" is an oxymoron. You can't sanitize and sanctify chaos. As is the notion that asymmetrical warfare can be "outlawed".

You can't kill ideas, principles or dictionary definitions. You can only kill men.

The Partisans knew the stakes involved and fully accepted their fate if defeated. A lot of Partisans even wanted to be martyrs for their cause.

War isn't about looking pretty and winning the support of misty-eyed, liberal idealists who live with their parents; it's about getting the job done.

Partisan-like movements have triumphed in the face over whelming odds time and time again in the American Revolutionary War, the Second Boer War, the Arab Revolt led by T.E. Lawrence, Finland's Winter War, the Soviet Partisans in Belarus/Ukraine/Russia, in the Vietnam War, and in Afghanistan.

Leiliana better tell Special Forces units around the world they're doing it all wrong; the correct and "honourable" thing to do would be to announce your presence to the enemy, parade march with flags, stand in a line, and take turns dueling it out like the Prussian Infantry.

Today's most elite fighting units are most similar to history's partisans, guerrillas, freedom fighters and revolutionaries than to any standing army.

Look at SFOD-D, the Special Activities Division or the Navy SEALS.

They wear no distinguishing uniforms, they speak foreign languages, they operate in countries against which no formal declaration of war has been made, they sabotage civilian and military infrastructure alike, take no prisoners, murder innocents, and are denied their very existence by their governments if caught or killed.

Asymmetrical warfare works.

Hypocrisy doesn't.

[Gospodine]

I should make it clear that I don't believe that every member of the Wehrmacht was a baby-killing psychopathic rapist who took sadistic delight in murder of innocents.

Nor am I saying that ANY side in WW2 has the right to claim a greater degree of moral superiority or less culpability in mass murder than the other. None of the Allied Powers are free from charges of war crimes; especially not the Soviets and especially not the Americans/Brits for their incendiary bombing campaigns.

Nor am I too fond of talking about the Holocaust as I don't agree with the state of Israel's existence or with the Jewish Victim Complex and Antisemitism being used as tools to silence gentile opposition towards their repressive influence around the world.

But for Leliana to say "No army on the world ever accepted and accepts guerilla fighters and partizan warfare of people who don't use uniforms."



Even George Bush himself said (on the Iraqi Insurgency): "They're not happy they're occupied. I wouldn't be happy if I were occupied either."

Even if you can be so ignorant as to disregard things like the Afghan Mujahideen, the American Founding Fathers, the Northern Alliance, the Algerian War of Independence, and countless other globally-recognized and Western-backed insurgencies that were deemed legitimate opposition to Imperialistic/Colonial oppression; you surely can't claim that Partisan movements during WW2 lacked a legitimate basis because they didn't fight "honourably" (in actuality if we compared irregular forces to standing armies in terms of civilian casualties perpetrated during WW2; there's no comparison).

Especially when you're comparing them to the Nazis.

I mean you're talking about people who had everything taken away from them, disarmed, dispossessed and displaced; and you're expecting them to remain respectful of their occupiers after they've raped their nation literally and figuratively?

Nobody would act that way if put in the same position.

[Partizan]

Now, moved to Slovenian section

[Žołnir]

Ofc. German army also did terrible things after all armies do shit regardless, that is why there were many anti-German paramilitary groups in the first place but lets stick to the topic now.

Not terrible fan of Partizans (but then again i am not fan of either sides of war) altho i have Partizans from both sides of family but yeah its cool stuff and yes we have many documentaries bout history. Sadly many people don't watch them and besides those who do don't always have time or simply didn't saw it, etc. For example there is mosque look house from early 20th century in Primorska which is considered special case of historical architecture.

Sidenote during Habsburg-Turkish wars some Turk prisoners of war were settled in area of modern Slovenia as Slaves. Over time they all converted and were assimilated by locals. Their legacy is mostly in surnames like Oman, Šalamun, etc.

[Permafrost]

A red he might have been, but this does not belittle his heroic acts. Slovenia lost huge chunks of territory due to ideologically retarded communist leadership, but if it weren't for people like him, simple folk, I guess the losses would have been tenfold.

Večna mu slava