Pro-Nato or Against-Nato?

[PaleoEuropean]

Yeah. My laptop had died.. But I'm back !

Welcome back

[The Lawspeaker]

Welcome back

Thank you !

[Tooting Carmen]

NATO may (to an extent) protect us from the Russians and the Chinese, but at the same time it most definitely makes us subservient to the Americans. At least my heart if not my head would very much prefer neutrality.

[ClanStewart]

Pro NATO that serves the interests of Europeans including the likes of Russia and Serbia. Anti NATO that is merely an attack dog of the great Zionist dog USA.

[sekhmet777]

The NATO is basically made up from 4 blocks:
(1) the Zionist block: USA, Canada, UK
(2) The Western block: Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Iceland
(3) Eastern block: Poland, Hungary, Czechia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Montenegro, Albania, Macedonia, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia
(4) Turkey

All these blocks haev conflicting ambitions and goals and cannot possibly be united into a single alliance. To ask from a German to fight for US interests or Hungarian interests is unreasonable.

[The Lawspeaker]

My feelings towards NATO and all the others summed up in a 1939 song:

Neutraliteit onz’ grootste schat
blijft oorlogsramp verbannen
In forten en in kazemat
daar waken onze mannen

Neutrality, our greatest treasure
Keeps out the disaster of war
In fortress and in casemate
Our men stand guard.

[Ülev]

Majority in Swedish Parliament Backs 'NATO Option' After Sweden Democrats Shift
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...emocrats-shift
https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/6064600

[The Lawspeaker]

Majority in Swedish Parliament Backs 'NATO Option' After Sweden Democrats Shift
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...emocrats-shift
https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/6064600

They can have our seat then.

[Lemminkäinen]

I think by having my country obliged in a long-lasting treaty with others, it has certain obligations to these nations that supersede that of the people within the United States. This means certain political powers of the U.S Government are not being derived by the people. Hence, I disagree with anything like NATO, but not specifically NATO itself. Basically, I find other countries of the world too dependent on the United States military, and I feel as if Americans are paying a bill that others should pay for their own self-defense. Yeah, I'm selfish, but the United States isn't in a good position and we can't really afford nor is it reliable to act as the police of the world.

Ameracans pay for the nuclear treaties. While Amercans don't want to give nuclear weapons other countries, they are obliged to pay for it by larger military budgets of ordinary weapons to can have this privilege of keeping nuclear weapons. It is a moral obligation. Trump didn't understand this, because moral things are not close his abilities. If it is hard to understand this way, as an equality thing, think it as an option to keep other nuclear nations, China and Russia away.

[Laly]

NATO is an unholy alliance which doesn't bring anything good for Europe. It should be dismantled.