View Poll Results: Are you pro or anti-NATO?

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  • My native country is a NATO country and I'm against NATO

    74 45.12%
  • My native country is not a NATO country and I'm against NATO

    32 19.51%
  • My native country is a NATO country and I'm pro-NATO

    29 17.68%
  • My native country is not NATO country and I'm pro-NATO

    16 9.76%
  • My native country is a NATO country and I dont have a particular opinion about it

    10 6.10%
  • My native country is not NATO country and I dont have a particular opinion about it

    3 1.83%
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    Quote Originally Posted by MustafaTekin View Post
    Nato is a useless alliance for turkey. but it has still importance for belgium and other small states. without us protection these countries have to invest in their military. which is very expensive. germany has a huge export surplus, i think small states like belgium, netherlands will beg germany to raise a large army. which can eventually lead to fourth reich in the end, tho.

    it will be very hot in eastern europe.
    ^Not so much. It's useful for Turkey because America works as its shield there, protecting it from the outcome of its actions. Had it taken down that Russian plane while not being in NATO, it would have been turned into a smouldering crater. As for this attack on Syria ? Bombs would already have started to rain down on Ankara and Istanbul hours after the first Turk crossed the Syrian border.

    As for the Netherlands, Luxembourg and Belgium ? They would very likely be like they were before 1940 (together with Scandinavia and Switzerland): neutral. Maybe even working more with the Brits.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    You're naive. Eastern Europeans' security interests diverge from those of the Western Europeans.
    Western Europeans have always been inclined to trade us for a deal with Russia.
    But historically Roosevelt, his successor Truman and half American premier of Britain, Churchill sold us to Stalin for a deal with him.

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    I'm wholeheartedly for NATO. People can say that 'the cold war is over' and that may be true, but Russia is still an aggressive country. Just because our main threat is gone, doesn't mean we can just abandon our allies?

    The existence of NATO itself helps fend off possible attacks, we're stronger together. NATO doesn't just exist purely to buttfuck Russia, there's lots of other purposes it serves. For example, we fight terrorism and stabilize bad situations around the world.

    I know my current leader, Trump, thinks NATO is like a big police force, but no. He's just mad none of the leaders like him. We help to address the refugee crisis in Europe (that a lot of right-wingers seem to fear). We also work with poorer, partner countries in order to foster stability.

    NATO has strong cyberdefense capabilities, essential to our modern warfare, and we also have a strong command structure which is essential for defense.

    NATO has Article 5, which claims that if any nation attacks one, all of them declare war. Again, war deterrent.

    Any country that wants to, can join as long as they meet the geographic and membership requirements.

    The existence of NATO also stops other nations from producing nuclear weapons. Europe would be entirely nuclearized by now if it weren't for NATO itself.

    NATO also improves diplomacy and opinions of the member countries, and our opinions of one another.

    I'd love to have my mind changed, but I can't think of any real cons except money? However, dont try to change my mind with any nationalistic bullshit. We live in a different world. Give me a real reason.

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    Mixed feelings. Turkey is a NATO country yet we've seen in recent years that NATO doesn't care about Turkey's security, they armed and trained YPG/SDF despite warnings from Turkey.

    But since USA has changed his policy, and YPG is out of the way, there can be a possibility to restore the alliance.
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    Dark skin is sign of evilness, every dark skinned country is agressive, full with criminality, violented peoples, most crimes were committed by dark skinned peoples. Many of them are follower of Islam (death cult) to spread the voice of Satan who tainted them that's why their skin is dark as their souls. We whites are descedants of angels (thats why our skin is light), we created the human rights, we ended slavery, we created the modern medical science to save lifes etc etc. Thats why the dark skinned peoples are so jealous for us and they want to destroy everything what the angles created.

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    I'm pro-NATO.


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    I'll be against NATO, until it has the wherewithal to kick Turkey out of the organization. As far as I'm concerned, Turkey can go into the orbit of Putin's Russia. Judas Putin and War Criminal Erdogan might enjoy each other's company until they get into the inevitable fight; meanwhile, NATO will be rid of that snake in the grass. That's right: Turkey is a snake in the grass, and a fifth column loose cannon. I'm opposed to NATO; seeing that NATO is incapable of purging Turkey; and, it's best to dismantle NATO, seeing that it's a lame animal (best to be shot).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    ^Not so much. It's useful for Turkey because America works as its shield there, protecting it from the outcome of its actions. Had it taken down that Russian plane while not being in NATO, it would have been turned into a smouldering crater. As for this attack on Syria ? Bombs would already have started to rain down on Ankara and Istanbul hours after the first Turk crossed the Syrian border.

    As for the Netherlands, Luxembourg and Belgium ? They would very likely be like they were before 1940 (together with Scandinavia and Switzerland): neutral. Maybe even working more with the Brits.
    Well said, and you're 100% right about it. Are you okay, Lawspeaker? We haven't seen you here since last September, and it's nearly December now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armenian Bishop View Post
    Well said, and you're 100% right about it. Are you okay, Lawspeaker? We haven't seen you here since last September, and it's nearly December now.
    Yeah. My laptop had died.. But I'm back !



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    Yeah. My laptop had died.. But I'm back !
    Welcome back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crn Volk View Post
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