Pro-Nato or Against-Nato?

[Barba]

Strongly against

[Loki]

I highly doubt that, because I don't watch Western media when it comes to the war. But what you suffer from, my dear friend, is that the delusion that the enemy of our enemy is our friend. I don't suffer from that delusion: they are both as bad as the other and until the devil (Russia) that is doing the attacking, keeps causing mayhem and destruction, we will have no choice but to stick to the other devil (NATO) while rearming ourselves to the hilt.

Russia is not my enemy, and it won't be in the future. I'm thinking of moving to Russia if I'm able to. I support Russia's rightful actions in Ukraine.

[Your Old Comrade]

Russia is not my enemy, and it won't be in the future. I'm thinking of moving to Russia if I'm able to. I support Russia's rightful actions in Ukraine.

You may. But how can we defend the principle of self-determination for all peoples, when we don't defend that of the Ukrainian ? In other words: it would be blatant hypocrisy not to.

[ugochaves]

Russia is not my enemy, and it won't be in the future. I'm thinking of moving to Russia if I'm able to. I support Russia's rightful actions in Ukraine.

Moving to Russia is a good idea for all adequate residents of Europe. Because the migration collapse is coming. Every European is expected in Russia. This American pioneer lives in my hometown of Krasnogorsk near Moscow and my friend saw him riding a bike in the park.

[Loki]

You may. But how can we defend the principle of self-determination for all peoples, when we don't defend that of the Ukrainian ? In other words: it would be blatant hypocrisy not to.

Aha! But some of those Ukrainians chose themselves to be part of Russia -- that's why Donetsk and Crimea are now in Russia. You want to deny their right to self determination? The Kiev regime wants to keep them captive in a failed state that discriminates against them and their language and religion.

[Loki]

Moving to Russia is a good idea for all adequate residents of Europe. Because the migration collapse is coming. Every European is expected in Russia. This American pioneer lives in my hometown of Krasnogorsk near Moscow and my friend saw him riding a bike in the park.

Thank you for your hospitality, Russians are very generous and kind people.

[Your Old Comrade]

Aha! But some of those Ukrainians chose themselves to be part of Russia -- that's why Donetsk and Crimea are now in Russia. You want to deny their right to self determination? The Kiev regime wants to keep them captive in a failed state that discriminates against them and their language and religion.

Says Putin. Using your logic, we cannot protest against mass migration and the take-overs of our own ancestral nations (those Russians who live there were brought there by the Czars and the Soviets to colonise lands that were not their own), and we cannot protest about the take-over and potential genocide of the Afrikaner people. If we cannot stand up for the integrity of one, then we cannot stand up for the integrity of another.

[Loki]

Says Putin. Using your logic, we cannot protest against mass migration and the take-overs, and we cannot protest about the take-over and potential genocide of the Afrikaner people. If we cannot stand up for the integrity of one, then we cannot stand up for the integrity of another,

But you think the genocide of Russian speakers in Donbass is okay? Kiev has been shelling civilians in Donetsk for 9 years until today. Thousands of people have died already. And if they did not take up arms against the regime, many more would have died.

[Your Old Comrade]

But you think the genocide of Russian speakers in Donbass is okay? Kiev has been shelling civilians in Donetsk for 9 years until today. Thousands of people have died already. And if they did not take up arms against the regime, many more would have died.

A genocide claimed by Putin and his propagandists alone. If there is one, where is the evidence ? It kinda reminds of the claims made about the ill-treatment and genocide of Germans in 1930s Czechoslovakia and Poland. The source at the time ? The Nazi German media.

[Dušan]

Says Putin. Using your logic, we cannot protest against mass migration and the take-overs of our own ancestral nations (those Russians who live there were brought there by the Czars and the Soviets to colonise lands that were not their own), and we cannot protest about the take-over and potential genocide of the Afrikaner people. If we cannot stand up for the integrity of one, then we cannot stand up for the integrity of another.

Actually, Russian emperors settled both Ukrainians and Russians in what is now known eastern Ukraine.

Russia cultivated that land previously known as Wild Fields, and built all cities there. Russia gave prosperity to all people there.

After a series of Russo-Turkish wars waged by Catherine the Great, the area formerly controlled by the Ottomans and the Crimean Tatars was incorporated into the Russian Empire in the 1780s. The Russian Empire built many of the cities in the Wild Fields, including Odessa, Sevastopol, Yekaterinoslav, and Nikolaev. Most of Kiev was also built during this time. The area was filled with Russian and Ukrainian settlers and the name "Wild Fields" became outdated; it was instead referred as New Russia (Novorossiya).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Fields




By the way, what is your opinion about territorial integrity of Serbia and forcely seceded Kosovo province, are you concerned about it in the same way as for Ukraine, or there are double standards, and integrity of Serbia is irrelevant???