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  • My native country is a NATO country and I'm against NATO

    74 45.12%
  • My native country is not a NATO country and I'm against NATO

    32 19.51%
  • My native country is a NATO country and I'm pro-NATO

    29 17.68%
  • My native country is not NATO country and I'm pro-NATO

    16 9.76%
  • My native country is a NATO country and I dont have a particular opinion about it

    10 6.10%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illyrian View Post

    Therefore, I think that NATO should continue and strengthen its presence/existence in Europe and elsewhere.
    Why am I not surprised?

    Out of 6 current pro-NATO apricians, 3 are already Albanians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minesweeper View Post
    Why am I not surprised?

    Out of 6 current pro-NATO apricians, 3 are already Albanians.
    You, Serbs, are the black sheep of Europe. Russian version of the Trojan horse.

    Your body is in Europe, while your mind is in Russia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illyrian View Post
    Your body is in Europe, while your mind is in Russia
    Russia is in Europe as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illyrian View Post
    Republican candidate for president, Mitt Romney, during the election campaign, said that Russia continues to be the number one enemy of the U.S.
    That does not mean that Russia would militarily attack the U.S. or any European country. That statement has to do with the Russian influence upon oil-rich countries.
    55% of our oil is domestic, of the foreign oil - 29% comes from Canada. Over half of our imports come from the Western Hemisphere. Do we really need oil from the Middle East? Or do countries in Asia and Europe? Europe has very few oil reserves. Romney is quite deluded, and wouldn't have made much of a better president on this matter than Obama is.

    Do you believe that in case of termination of existence of NATO, you will have to pay less than you have paid so far?!
    It would certainly be one of many things they should cut with this current "fiscal cliff" incident. Maybe not less, but it is quite clear to any sensible person that the money the federal government gets is not being put to good use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medvjed View Post
    Russia is in Europe as well.
    Yeah, in football and Eurovision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illyrian View Post
    You, Serbs, are the black sheep of Europe. Russian version of the Trojan horse.

    Your body is in Europe, while your mind is in Russia

    Europe ≠ Western Europe

    Anyway, supporting NATO makes you an American collaborator in Europe. Unlike America, Russia is an European country. Not to mention how European it is compared to semi-Asiatic Albania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minesweeper View Post
    Europe ≠ Western Europe
    Read my previous post.

    Anyway, supporting NATO makes you an American collaborator in Europe. Unlike America, Russia is an European country. Not to mention how European it is compared to semi-Asiatic Albania.
    U.S. and Europe share the same values​​, unlike Russia which has always been a threat to Europe. Even in the Kosovo war proved which countries share common values. USA and EU on one side, Russia, China, Iran, Cuba in the other side.

    Serbia is a Russian base in Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illyrian View Post



    U.S. and Europe share the same values​​, unlike Russia which has always been a threat to Europe. Even in the Kosovo war proved which countries share common values. USA and EU on one side, Russia, China, Iran, Cuba in the other side.

    Serbia is a Russian base in Europe.
    Aren't we opposed to those liberal ''values'', you know, gay rights, race mixing and similar stuff that good old West is serving us here as the most positive achievements in human society so far.

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    As usual, any thread regarding NATO turns into Shumado-Siptar flame war.

    I'm against any kind of large military organisations, though the existence of NATO may be a good reason for moderate tolerance between neighbor countries who would probably have much worse relationship otherwise (like Greece and Turkey).

    Quote Originally Posted by Minesweeper View Post
    Aren't we opposed to those liberal ''values'', you know, gay rights, race mixing and similar stuff that good old West is serving us here as the most positive achievements in human society so far.
    Values are personal. Nobody is forcing you to support gays or marry an African woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan View Post
    55% of our oil is domestic, of the foreign oil - 29% comes from Canada. Over half of our imports come from the Western Hemisphere. Do we really need oil from the Middle East? Or do countries in Asia and Europe? Europe has very few oil reserves. Romney is quite deluded, and wouldn't have made much of a better president on this matter than Obama is.
    U.S. is the largest consumer of oil in the world. In long-term needs USA necessarily will depend on the oil of Middle East. A mere thirty years ago, 28% of the oil consumed in the United States was imported. Today nearly 60% of the oil utilized and consumed in the United States is imported from other countries.

    The United States consumed a total of 6.87 billion barrels (18.83 million barrels per day) in 2011.

    The largest reserves of oil in the world:

    Middle East - 727 billion barrels
    Central and South America - 99 billion barrels
    Africa - 87 billion barrels
    Nations of the former Soviet Union - 78 billion barrels
    Western Europe and China - 18 billion barrels
    Mexico - 16 billion barrels
    India - 5 billion barrels

    U.S. has no reason to feel comfortable regarding the fulfillment of its oil needs.

    It would certainly be one of many things they should cut with this current "fiscal cliff" incident. Maybe not less, but it is quite clear to any sensible person that the money the federal government gets is not being put to good use.
    I am aware about the concerns of American taxpayers, but I also think that the existence of NATO is in the good of your country and nation.
    Strength of its influence in the world is vital for your existence.

    I also think that U.S. foreign policy is the same, regardless of who is president.

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