Pro-Nato or Against-Nato?

**~~Baluarte~~** · 10-28-2013, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by NormanDePoer

Anti- Nato. Nato is a treaty that allowed and currently allows America to put their troops in your lands and in a way ensure you do nothing to anyone unless you have their approval. Not to mention as a result of this American culture has poisoned Europe. In a way I am completely anti American foreign policy period.

Pretty much this.

Don't know why blogen supports it though. An incredibly dumb position from a seemingly smart person.

**~~Han Cholo~~** · 10-29-2013, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by Baluarte

Pretty much this.

Don't know why blogen supports it though. An incredibly dumb position from a seemingly smart person.

His position is similar to that of the intelligence he shows in his posts. I do not know in what you base your bolded statement.

**LightHouse89** · 11-01-2013, 12:33 AM

You really do not need large American Armies in western Europe to do this. Western Europe is fine on its own. Now maybe American Navy to me is fine because which countries have the money to have a large fleet all over the place? No one really and judging by the economy no one would want to. Plus American Navy to me are more better at protecting the seas and maritime business theatre other wise every country would have to pay to have mercenaries protecting their ships from piracy and other issues. I think that is okay but the US Army n Germany I mean come on the cold war is over.

**LightHouse89** · 11-01-2013, 12:36 AM

basically bending the knee to foreign support [occupation]. I am fine with America patrolling the seas because no other nations are really doing that. But foreign troops on European soil is not right!

**Freeroostah** · 11-01-2013, 12:39 AM

F*ck NATO

**LightHouse89** · 11-01-2013, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by Minesweeper

Europe ≠ Western Europe

Anyway, supporting NATO makes you an American collaborator in Europe. Unlike America, Russia is an European country. Not to mention how European it is compared to semi-Asiatic Albania.

In a way I agree. Russia is the last European power. I had a big laugh when the homosexuals in America got upset with Putin for not allowing homosexual behavior in public during the Olympic games. I rejoiced. I said at least some decent minded Europeans exist! The fags on tv were pouring Russian vodka down the drain and telling the public to boycott anything Russian. What did I do? Had a Russian gourmet meal [Beef Stroganoff] and enjoyed some Hammer and Sickle IMPORTED Russian vodka. I said screw you homosexuals! I generally only buy imported alcohol because anything American is watered down and 'Americanized'. Irish whiskey=smooth and not bad in taste, American whiskey= rough and must mix with coke or it will burn out your taste buds. Beer =anything German or Belgian is good. Wine=Italian, French and Spanish. I do not mind spending more for superior quality [except with cars-I will stick with my redneck chevy].

**LightHouse89** · 11-01-2013, 12:49 AM

How so they could breathe. The cold war is over and how are they endangered? Liberate Europe!

**Stefan_Dusan** · 11-01-2013, 03:11 PM

Well I was bombed by NATO when I was 12 years old. Even though it was "precision" bombing, every night you tried to sleep hearing distant and sometimes not so distant explosions you couldn't help but feel if one of those bombs would miss and hit you. When I lived in Southern California, I slept through every earthquake, even ones that were as strong as 6+ that knocked things off shelves and cause mass evacuations of buildings. I think it's because of all those nights I had to sleep, simply to exhaustion, those nights in 1999.

Anyways to say I'm anti-NATO sounds like I'm against someone who beat me up. It sounds whiney. I'm against Serbia ever joining NATO (or EU) and if that ever happens I will tear up my Serbian citizenship like I know many Kosovo Serbs will.

**LightHouse89** · 11-02-2013, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Stefan_Dusan

Well I was bombed by NATO when I was 12 years old. Even though it was "precision" bombing, every night you tried to sleep hearing distant and sometimes not so distant explosions you couldn't help but feel if one of those bombs would miss and hit you. When I lived in Southern California, I slept through every earthquake, even ones that were as strong as 6+ that knocked things off shelves and cause mass evacuations of buildings. I think it's because of all those nights I had to sleep, simply to exhaustion, those nights in 1999.

Anyways to say I'm anti-NATO sounds like I'm against someone who beat me up. It sounds whiney. I'm against Serbia ever joining NATO (or EU) and if that ever happens I will tear up my Serbian citizenship like I know many Kosovo Serbs will.

I am personally sorry for this. America had no business bombing over there but that is corporate democracy for you. I am thankful I never at experience that but my grandparents from Ireland had too. They told how you would get shot walking to the store in broad day light trying to buy groceries for your family. Or worse a car bomb would go off randomly. That was the IRA and UVF pricks killing their own people over artificial Judaism and socialism vs unionism. It made no sense the war but nationalist on both sides would disagree. I have o laugh when you meet white power people from both sides because they still have the same nationalism and blame the other over the nations overall problems. Anyway not to go off topic but its a shame Bosnians and Serbs and Albanians do not get along. I blame the Abrahamic religions.....they did the same thing in the British Islands and throughout the world. Even today look at Syria and what Abrahamic religions are doing there. America promotes it by taking sides which to me is the greatest evil they do it for financial reasons and not to mention our politicians are in bed with the Israeli lobby which has no loyalty to any other group in this world. Not to mention we have a communist for a leader and a bunch of leftist heathens running our country over here. They are international swindlers and fraudulent money launderers.

**Learning_Genetics** · 01-13-2014, 02:12 PM

My country is a NATO member but I am against us being a part of it.

The only reason a state would be a part of NATO is to maintain defense links with the United States. Another reason is to be be officially allied with them and have close political ties.

In my opinion my country does not need to have defense ties to the United States. It can function independently of the US and defend its own borders adequately without needing to be a part of NATO. We also have no particular need to be allies of America. We can maintain good and cordial relations without being allies or having any obligation to them.

Something else to consider is that being a part of NATO means we are obliged to some extent to cooperate with the US in its military adventures abroad. I do not agree with these military adventures and in my opinion the end result of them compromises the security of my own country. For example the confrontations with countries like Iran and Russia which do not have to happen and bring my country no benefit are issues I oppose the US on. Furthermore I have no interest in seeing the continuation of American hegemony.

Being a part of NATO also means that my country is associated with the negative actions of America. It therefore causes us to be disliked abroad.

NATO was established in the Cold War era as a means of countering Soviet influence. Now that the USSR is gone there is absolutely no excuse for my country to be a member of this body. It does not benefit us and in my opinion our membership damages our security.