Pro-Nato or Against-Nato?

Ülev · 07-31-2018, 08:34 PM

pro-PESCO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perman...ed_Cooperation

**jingorex** · 07-31-2018, 08:46 PM

I dont like NATO.

It amounts to USA paying for euro-pee-on cucks to be prepared for war.

I dont think we should be in the business of saving europe from anything. The last 2 times we did all we got from it was bitter insecure spite and backstabbing from our 'allies'.

Let europe fight its own battle and sort out its own problems. Its not worth a single dollar from US taxpayers, or more importantly, a single American soldiers life.

That said if europe wants to PAY the USA for protection...we can talk.

**~~Trilecce~~** · 07-31-2018, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Su

Are you pro or against NATO? Please explain also the reason why you are pro/against NATO?

Also select the right poll option.

Being a NATO member is essentially a promise from USA that no one will ever fuck with you. NATO members have untill recently diverted their military spendings into other areas just because they dont need it. USA has enough firepower to take on all the worlds military at once.

**Dragoon** · 07-31-2018, 09:05 PM

NATO

+they havent harmed me, and no one attacked a NATO nation.
-the purpose of NATO is to keep Europe as dependent terroritory of US (Germans down, Russians out, America in).
-its obsolete (see fall of Soviet Union/Warsaw Pact), dont like its influence on the Middle East, which floods Europe with nonEuropeans.
-the US pays too much, Europe to little, NATO has troops in Europe for decades and decades occupying places like Germany.

PESCO

If Europe can turn more Christian Democrat, more right wing, more traditional, maybe PESCO is the way to go but still...
there is language differences, Europe armies are still weak compared to US/Russia/China.
Europe would need more nukes, independent of US nuclear sharing. Its still a long way.

EU

If the EU is to remain expand it to include East Slavs to counter balance the more liberal West.
Atm the EU is crap outside of money benefits for some nations.

**Dragoon** · 07-31-2018, 09:21 PM

For USA (2017):

78% of Democrats see NATO positively
47% of Republicans.

About six-in-ten Americans (62%) had a favorable opinion of NATO.

**Óttar** · 07-31-2018, 09:31 PM

Pro-NATO, but they should kick Turkey out. Not trolling.

I also think they should burn Saudi Arabia to the ground.

**GreentheViper** · 08-01-2018, 12:49 AM

Canada is in NATO but I don't really have an opinion. I think the Western countries should have an alliance, or sort of agreement to make sure Russia, China or any of the Eastern countries don't attack, which I don't really think they will. The US pays a lot of money into NATO which is idiotic considering how many countries are in the alliance.

**Armenian Bishop** · 08-01-2018, 01:15 AM

NATO should've been dissolved within a few years after the collapse of the USSR, in 1991. It's a Cold War relic, and it outlived it's usefulness.

Boris Yeltsin has been disliked by a lot of people, but I liked him. Yeltsin risked his own reputation in an endeavor to establish more friendly relations between Russia and the USA, and President Clinton befriended the Russian leader; unfortunately, Yeltsin's power in Russia was undermined by the USA when Clinton decided to retain NATO, and keep it armed to the teeth.

Now, Vladimir Putin isn't so nice to Western Countries, and he's throwing his weight around, so NATO has again become a more acceptable alliance force. And, I agree with Trump's attempts to build rapport between the two countries. It helps to try to build dialogue between opposing parties, for the resolution of disagreements. That kind of relationship can again make NATO obsolete.

**Colonel Frank Grimes** · 08-01-2018, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Trilecce

Being a NATO member is essentially a promise from USA that no one will ever fuck with you. NATO members have untill recently diverted their military spendings into other areas just because they dont need it. USA has enough firepower to take on all the worlds military at once.

It also means you do what the US government tells you to do cuz you can't do anything on your own militarily.

Anyway, as Jingorex pointed out. No American blood should be spilled for foreign conflicts that have nothing to do with us. No money should be spent when that money can be used to aid Americans in need.

The rest of you can put on your big boy pants and handle your own affairs. I don't want any American to die for foreigners or for corrupt war hawks in Washington, D.C. American lives matter.

**~~Trilecce~~** · 08-05-2018, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes

It also means you do what the US government tells you to do cuz you can't do anything on your own militarily.

Anyway, as Jingorex pointed out. No American blood should be spilled for foreign conflicts that have nothing to do with us. No money should be spent when that money can be used to aid Americans in need.

The rest of you can put on your big boy pants and handle your own affairs. I don't want any American to die for foreigners or for corrupt war hawks in Washington, D.C. American lives matter.

While you leave your foreign affairs, China hurries to turn your allies toward themselves. China is taking over the world, and you are leaving the world stage. Thats the reality here, then when you are stuck with only yourselves you will realize the mistakes that you make today.

Ive always respected american ideals, but seeing what a bunch of retards you are I have lost all but some ideological respect. May the Chinese rape of you be light, God bless America.