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Haplogroup N1c, the most common haplogroup among Finnish men, is curiously often labelled as specifically Asian or even Mongoloid, even though some 20-22 million European men and less than 1 million Asian men carry this marker! But while the sub clades of the haplogroups R, J, E e.t.c. have several hundred million carries outside Europe, they are mysteriously still called European.
Anyway, back to N1c (previously known as N3). One man was “born” in a region which is modern day northwestern China/South Siberia around +/- 12-14 000 years ago from where his descendants spread to Eastern Europe.
(S. Rootsi A counter-clockwise northern route of the Y-chromosome haplogroup N from Southeast Asia towards Europe 2004)
In comparison, the father to one of the most common haplogroups in Europe, R1a, was born in very much the same region and arrived after that in Europe only it happened a little earlier than for N1c.
(A. Klyosov DNA Genealogy, Mutation Rates, and Some Historical Evidence Written in Y-Chromosome, Part II: Walking the Map 2009)
So, what makes R1a less Asian than N1c? Double standards?
For a better understanding of the ethnic situation of now and then it could be pointed out that the first evidences of Chinese people in the area are only from some 2000 years ago. It is good to bring up the famous Tarim Basin mummies. They are a collection of well preserved bodies and have been dated to be 5-7000 years old. They are of clearly Europoid features from the heart of that central Asian region. It is most commonly believed that they were speakers of Tocharian, an eastern Indo-European language. Archeological evidences cannot confirm the presence of clearly Asian people in that area prior to 4000 years ago.
So, in pointing to the central Asian/south Siberian birthplace and arguing that N1c would be Asian or Mongoloid is tricky.
Haplogroup N: Originally Mongoloid or Caucasoid?
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