Haplogroup N: Originally Mongoloid or Caucasoid?

**~~Prince Carlo~~** · 12-30-2012, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Sky earth

Yakuts are Turkic and about 90 % of them are N carriers

It's a different subclade.

**Sky earth** · 12-30-2012, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Joseph Capelli

It's a different subclade.

I know but it's still haplogroup N

**finþaų** · 12-30-2012, 01:21 PM

The ancestral N likely predates anatomically modern Mongoloids and Caucasoids, so there's your answer, I suppose.

**Sky earth** · 12-30-2012, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by finþaų

The ancestral N likely predates anatomically modern Mongoloids and Caucasoids, so there's your answer, I suppose.

So the question is remain open how they looked like

**finþaų** · 12-30-2012, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Sky earth

So it's remain open how they looked like

They probably looked like archaic cromagniform Eurasians, if I am allowed to speculate.

**safinator** · 12-30-2012, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Solin

Good morning!

What matters is aDNA.

And still it doesn't correlate very highly to phenotype.

**Sky earth** · 12-30-2012, 01:37 PM

[QUOTE=safinator;1254964]And still it doesn't correlate very highly to phenotype.[/QUOTE

Yes but it correlates 1000 times better to phenotypes than Haplogroups.

**SKYNET** · 12-30-2012, 01:41 PM

Haplogroup N: Originally Mongoloid or Caucasoid?

Mongoloid.

**finþaų** · 12-30-2012, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by WesternBoy

Mongoloid.

How is that possible, considering the fact that N is around 15,000 to 25,000 years old?

**Insuperable** · 12-30-2012, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by safinator

And still it doesn't correlate very highly to phenotype.

Yes, it does not correlate very highly but it does correlate to some (high) degree but I had something else in mind while writing it and not that. I meant to say that Finns are autosomally among the highest percintiles of "being European" but it seems that our Turkish friend was already aware of that.

So, Sky Earth as Accountant nicely puts not even R haplogroup is "European" in origin but it is Central Asian in origin (Polako hypothesized that Indo-Europeans were 75% North European and 25% West Asian/Gedrosian) where we can see similar effect where they were (are) autosomally largely European but have (had) foreign haplogroups. The same is with all others haplogroups (except haplogroup I to which Cro-magnons belonged) so discussing only haplogroup N makes no sense.
What in this modern world matters are specific subclades linked to specific nations where in this case that would be N1c for example since what matters is aDNA.

Somebody correct me if I am speakig rubbish.