How would you feel if...

[Insuperable]

you find out on 23andme or on any similar service that the ancestors of your parents do not belong to a certain ethnicity you thought you are part of but that they were Croatized, Germanicized, Russified....?



To explain shortly
On 23andme I found out that I am the most similar with Montenegrins, East Herzegovinians (Serbs) and Serbs from Serbia. I am a Croat from a little shit hole called (Western) Herzegovina. I found luckily for me (or not) a Croatian guy from Herzegovina on 23adnme and we were different, him having the average Croatian score and me not scratching the results which are even atypical.
I saw data from 3 more Croats from B & H and I am again the atypical one.
Using 23andme tool "Compare genes" I can see that Montenegrins and one Serb so far in my relative list are among my highest match having highest percentile of shared genome. I asked my mom to explain (my dad is not alive) the results and she so blatantly told me that her family from father's side came from Boka Kotorska (Montenegro). Her mother's surname is present in Eastern Herzegovina. I share my paternal haplogroup with 2 Montenegrins in my relatives who are among my highest match in "Compare genes" tool so I wonder what would be my father's story. I after analyzing all this and accepting truth had some "breakdowns" and I go nuts (because they have more Neolithic ancestry and finding Serb ancestry by a Croatian and vice versa is like Hitler finding Jewish ancestry. We are not like Scandinavians when Swede finding Norwegian ancestry is just another day in paradise) than I calm down since it is not easy for me accepting that I am Croatized (or mostly) and not being similar with my countrymen (at least so far from what I have seen) and than I get breakdown again and so on so my mother is now of course saying she was only joking about what she said.

I am really interested what would Dilberth, Rastko, Slingshot and Duke say about me being Croat or not.

[Jackson]

I can't remember if you did or not.. but have you used the 3rd party tools on GEDmatch? You should all of the admixture tools on there and look for the results that are most consistent across multiple calculators, to confirm what 23&me has showed. Although the website is down atm (or some parts of it) so you might have to wait a day or two.

[Damião de Góis]

I would be shocked...

You compared yourself to 4 other croatians? That's not enough, you need to share with more.

[kabeiros]

you find out on 23andme or on any similar service that the ancestors of your parents do not belong to a certain ethnicity you thought you are part of but that they were Croatized, Germanicized, Russified....?

Solin, ethnicities/nationalities are not solely based on genes but mostly on culture/tradition. Therefore you are 100% Croat IMO, being close to neighbor people doesn't change anything

I after analyzing all this and accepting truth had some "breakdowns" and I go nuts (because they have more Neolithic ancestry

Do you consider neolithic ancestry inferrior to mesolithic and if yes, why? Neolithic ancestry means that you descend from the people who made one of the most important discoveries of humanity, or as the Bible calls them, you are a descendant of ''Cainim''

[Insuperable]

I can't remember if you did or not.. but have you used the 3rd party tools on GEDmatch? You should all of the admixture tools on there and look for the results that are most consistent across multiple calculators, to confirm what 23&me has showed. Although the website is down atm (or some parts of it) so you might have to wait a day or two.

I checked of course. Not all of them have samples from Croatia. I think that MDLP has and perhaps one more.
MDLP has Croatian samples and I get the closest to Macedonians. That is what I am saying.
On that particular calculator I can not remember I got 30% Croatian + something else. I think it was Bulgarian or something like.
On those where Croatian samples are present (or at least that is what I think) I get Romanian as the closest match + something like 10% Ireland and related combinations.

The point is that I never saw any Croatian coming up and when it did it could be barely called Croatian.

I would be shocked...

You compared yourself to 4 other croatians? That's not enough, you need to share with more.

I am a Croat from Herzegovina. There is like 200-250 000 of us. I luckily for me find a Croatian guy from Herzegovina and his results differ from mine and I mean like really differ. Others three Bosnian Croats I found in the link below. That Croat had if I remember correctly distances similar to Croatian average.

I forgot what were my "old" distances (I think my were 67.77 Northern European, the same for Southern and 67.23 or 67.24 for ME and I overall scores Southern. So what is the chance me out of 33 of them scoring Southern and they score Northern no matter if those designation do not mean much) before Ancestry Composition but I think that they were the most similar to a guy under Cro33 designation. Out of 33 samples once you play with numbers you could see that perhaps 3 Croats our of 33 would be similar to me. Id say that they are Vlachs like me more so than Croats proper.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...3c&hl=en#gid=0

Solin, ethnicities/nationalities are not solely based on genes but mostly on culture/tradition. Therefore you are 100% Croat IMO, being close to neighbor people doesn't change anything

Two Greeks on chatbox several hourse ago said the same and yet you wonder why people still discuss "Are modern Greeks....".
P.S. Yes I believe that modern Greeks are mostly descendents of the ancient Greeks.

Do you consider neolithic ancestry inferrior to mesolithic and if yes, why? Neolithic ancestry means that you descend from the people who made one of the most important discoveries of humanity, or as the Bible calls them, you are a descendant of ''Cainim''

If you think that elevated SW Asian and WA scores are superior we do not have much to talk about.

[Pallantides]

I had a nervous breakdown when I found out I was a Norwegianized Swede.

[Alenka]

edit:
Difference between his (Croatian average) and mine shown below . On the link of genetic distances one could assume small difference but it is not so small especially if it indicates totally foreign ancestry.

Which region is the first result (Croatian average) from?

[kabeiros]

Two Greeks on chatbox several hours ago said the same and yet you wonder why people still discuss "Are modern Greeks....".
P.S. Yes I believe that modern Greeks are mostly descendents of the ancient Greeks..

Greeks are and have always been an ethnos. Ethnos derives from the ancient Greek word ''ethos'' which means custom habbit not genealogy. By the way, it is impossible to find an ancient people who is genetically 100% pure, the more ancient the nation the less possibility for purity

If you think that elevated SW Asian and WA scores are superior we do not have much to talk about.

If you think that WA and SWA scores make someone inferrior, we do not have much to talk about

[Damião de Góis]

edit:
Difference between his (Croatian average) and mine shown below . On the link of genetic distances one could assume small difference but it is not so small especially if it indicates totally foreign ancestry.

Are you aware that this changes whether if people filled their ancestry info or not?

[alb0zfinest]

I knew that was a reason why Solin was so anti Albanian