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    What is it?

    It is a great amount of matter packed into a very small area - think of a star ten times more massive than the Sun squeezed into a sphere approximately the diameter of New York City. The result is a gravitational field so strong that nothing, not even light, can escape. In recent years, we have painted a new picture of these strange objects that are, to many, the most fascinating objects in space.

    Although the term was not coined until 1967 by Princeton physicist John Wheeler, the idea of an object in space so massive and dense that light could not escape it has been around for centuries. Most famously, black holes were predicted by Einstein's theory of general relativity, which showed that when a massive star dies, it leaves behind a small, dense remnant core. If the core's mass is more than about three times the mass of the Sun, the equations showed, the force of gravity overwhelms all other forces and produces a black hole.

    Detecting Black Holes

    Scientists can't directly observe black holes with telescopes that detect light. We can, however, infer the presence of black holes and study them by detecting their effect on other matter nearby (if a black hole passes through a cloud of interstellar matter, for example, it will draw matter inward in a process known as accretion), or based in other forms of electromagnetic radiation.

    Another interesting way to observe them is through the distortion they cause in light in a process called gravitational lensing:


    Gravitational lensing effect, which produces two enlarged but highly distorted views of the interstellar background, since the gravity of a black hole is enough to curve light.

    Structure of a Black Hole:



    Event Horizon:

    The defining feature of a black hole is the appearance of an event horizon, a boundary in space-time through which matter and light can only pass inward towards the mass of the black hole. Nothing, not even light, can escape from inside the event horizon. The event horizon is referred to as such because if an event occurs within the boundary, information from that event cannot reach an outside observer, making it impossible to determine if such an event occurred.

    Ergosphere:

    Rotating black holes are surrounded by a region of spacetime in which it is impossible to stand still, called the ergosphere. This is the result of a process known as frame-dragging; general relativity predicts that any rotating mass will tend to slightly "drag" along the spacetime immediately surrounding it. Any object near the rotating mass will tend to start moving in the direction of rotation. For a rotating black hole, this effect becomes so strong near the event horizon that an object would have to move faster than the speed of light in the opposite direction to just stand still.

    Singularity:

    At the center of a black hole as described by general relativity lies a gravitational singularity, a region where the space-time curvature becomes infinite. For a non-rotating black hole, this region takes the shape of a single point and for a rotating black hole, it is smeared out to form a ring singularity lying in the plane of rotation. In both cases, the singular region has zero volume. It can also be shown that the singular region contains all the mass of the black hole solution. The singular region can thus be thought of as having infinite density. It can be described as a mathematical limit: lim (d)→∞ and lim (s)→0, where (d) = density and (s) = space.

    Death of a Black Hole:

    In 1974, Hawking showed that black holes are not entirely black but emit small amounts of thermal radiation; an effect that has become known as Hawking radiation. By applying quantum field theory to a static black hole background, he determined that a black hole should emit particles in a perfect black body spectrum. Since Hawking's publication, many others have verified the result through various approaches. If Hawking's theory of black hole radiation is correct, then black holes are expected to shrink and evaporate over time because they lose mass by the emission of photons and other particles The temperature of this thermal spectrum (Hawking temperature) is proportional to the surface gravity of the black hole. Hence, large black holes emit less radiation than small black holes, and take longer to die.

    Curiosities

    The closest:



    V404 Cygni is a binary star system consisting of a black hole with a mass of about 12±3 solar masses, and lies at a distance of 7.800 light-years from Earth.

    Monster in the centre of the Milky Way:



    Supermassive blacks holes are the largest type of black hole in a galaxy, on the order of hundreds of thousands to billions of solar masses. Most (and possibly all) galaxies, including the Milky Way are believed to contain supermassive black holes at their centers.

    Sagittarius A*, located at a distance of 26.000 light-years from Earth, is a bright and very compact astronomical radio source at the center of the Milky Way Galaxy, near the border of the constellations Sagittarius and Scorpius, and it is believed to be the location of a supermassive black hole with a mass of 4.31 ± 0.38 million solar masses.

    Gamma-ray Burst:



    Gamma-ray bursts (GRBs) are flashes of gamma rays associated with extremely energetic explosions that have been observed in distant galaxies. They are the brightest electromagnetic events known to occur in the universe.

    Most observed GRBs are believed to consist of a narrow beam of intense radiation released during a supernova as a rapidly rotating, high-mass star collapses to form a neutron star, quark star, or black hole.
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    The one thing I have always questioned and tried to understand is:

    The edge of an event horizon is the outer most limit at which light cannot escape a black holes gravity.(Hence it being black, light cannot reflect from it) But gravity only affects things with mass. Photons however, travel at the speed of light due to them being without mass. So my question is, how is the existence of an event horizon possible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretan View Post
    The one thing I have always questioned and tried to understand is:

    The edge of an event horizon is the outer most limit at which light cannot escape a black holes gravity.(Hence it being black, light cannot reflect from it) But gravity only affects things with mass. Photons however, travel at the speed of light due to them being without mass. So my question is, how is the existence of an event horizon possible?
    Light is also affected by gravity. Dark Matter spread through the universe cause the same gravitational lensing effect as a black hole (see Hubble gravitational lensing). But that's not the question. The existence of an event horizon is not only based on its effects on light, but on everything.

    Nothing (energy or matter) can escape from inside an event horizon. Once inside of it, the information is lost. But according to physics information can't be simply "lost". Nothing is created nor destroyed, only transformed, so where did the information go?

    This is explained by the Hawking Radiation theory. The information is not lost, it is just "stuck" and hidden inside the black hole. Once a Black Hole dies and the event horizon disappears, the information that was inside of it returns to the observable universe.

    Actually, we are stuck inside of an event horizon, see:

    The event horizon of the observable universe is the boundary that represents the maximum distance at which events can currently be observed. For events beyond that distance, light has not had time to reach our location, even if it were emitted at the time the universe began. How the event horizon changes with time depends on the nature of the expansion of the universe. If the expansion has certain characteristics, there are parts of the universe that will never be observable, no matter how long the observer waits for light from those regions to arrive. The boundary past which events cannot ever be observed is an event horizon, and it represents the maximum extent of the particle horizon.
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    That's interesting for sure. What about wormholes, some people say that black holes may be a "portal" to other places and time in the universe, or even "another universe" or dimension, for example, something is absorbed by a black hole and is expelled by a white hole at a different time: days, months, years, centuries... even time travel could be possible. What you guys think about this, could be possible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faewerd View Post
    That's interesting for sure. What about wormholes, some people say that black holes may be a "portal" to other places and time in the universe, or even "another universe" or dimension, for example, something is absorbed by a black hole and is expelled by a white hole at a different time: days, months, years, centuries... even time travel could be possible. What you guys think about this, could be possible?
    Yes, wormholes would be points of the universe where the curvature of the space-time fabric is so big that would create a shortcut between to points. An intra-universe wormhole is a wormhole that would connect two points in the same universe, and extra-universe wormhole would connect two different universes.

    But that's only theory. Such structures were never observed, even though many believe that the curvature of the space-time fabric caused by the enormous gravity of a singularity in the centre of a black hole would be enough to create a wormhole.

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