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    They are trying to find out how many people in Ireland carry the red hair gene variants. This article also gives some statistics.

    http://irelandsdna.com/redhead.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice View Post
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    I thought this map was interesting. I didn't think there were so many Viking derived surnames in Ireland.

    http://www.worldirish.com/story/1748...across-ireland

    The Blood of the Vikings only used 2 sites in Ireland to test. The sites were Rush (north of Dublin) and Castlerea in Roscommon and didn't find much Viking dna. Two sites are not enough I don't think. They tested 9 sites in Scotland and I think it was 11 in England.

    There is a new study looking at families in Wexford, Limerick and Galway to look for Viking and Norman dna. I was always under the impression that there is not much Germanic dna in Ireland so it will be interesting to see if anything comes from these studies.
    http://www.inhp.com/2012/10/16/do-yo...or-norman-dna/

    I was wondering is someone could explain this study and does it show actual viking ancestry in this individual?
    http://www.irishorigenes.com/content...irish-origenes
    People underestimate the Northmens influence in Brittain and the English. Like 4000 words of english language origins from scandinavian tounge. Streets, surnames, the genetic ancestory - big scando influence. This island people is semi-scandos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasa View Post
    People underestimate the Northmens influence in Brittain and the English. Like 4000 words of english language origins from scandinavian tounge. Streets, surnames, the genetic ancestory - big scando influence. This island people is semi-scandos.
    Many of them certainly look the part, anyway. This goes for all countries of the British Isles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasa View Post
    People underestimate the Northmens influence in Brittain and the English. Like 4000 words of english language origins from scandinavian tounge. Streets, surnames, the genetic ancestory - big scando influence. This island people is semi-scandos.
    Yes I agree with you Vasa about England and I think it is recognised that parts of England and the islands off the west coast of Scotland have a bit of Northmen influence but I'm not sure about Ireland yet.

    Ireland did get a lot from the Viking invasions. Vikings started up the first towns in Ireland Dublin, Wexford, Limerick, Waterford and others that I can't remember without looking up. There have been many Viking artifacts and even towns unearthed (Dublin, Waterford and Annagassan) that I'm aware of.
    http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs...18/viking.html
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...nd-170117.html
    Also the first coins in Ireland were started by the Vikings but where are those Viking genes? They obviously settled there and didn't just raid.

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    The Vikings also traded in Irish slaves so that wasn't so good.

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    http://www.abroadintheyard.com/the-h...na-in-ireland/

    Regarding surnames here is a quote from Dr Swift from the above link. "Irish surnames have very clear ethnic diversity, whether they are Norse, Norman, English or Irish. We hope to see if the Vikings who settled in Ireland are directly from Norway, or if they came via England or Normandy.”

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    Can see a bit of laziness in that map regarding Danelaw.

    The North Eastern part, of the Kingdom of Northumbria, wasn't in Danelaw. That would be modern day Northumberland & South East Scotland. Those areas are mainly Angles only.




    ..but anyhoo, back on topic..Tis Ireland.

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    Thanks Graham for the clarification. You seem to know your history very well. Regarding the map that I posted is it true that the Norse went to Scotland and Ireland and the Danes concentrated on England or was it not that cut and dry?

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    Also with regards to the Danelaw, what is interesting is that there is a big clump of specifically Scandinavian place names that runs through eastern parts of Yorkshire, Humberside and through the whole of Lincolnshire and down into Cambridgeshire, as well as north Norfolk. Outside these areas those place-names are quite thin on the ground and scattered. I'd be tempted to say they were the only areas of large-scale settlement by Danes in the Viking Age. Although i imagine it all got spread around over the centuries - People move quite a bit but villages and towns almost never do.

    @Vasa. Yeah it's interesting that our closest relatives outside the British Isles are Scandinavians and people of the Benelux. Dutch, north/west Germans, British, Irish and Scandinavians all seem to be part of a big NW Euro genetic cluster, although you can separate them all of course with more resolution. Don't know about the Belgians, Flemish and Bretons but i imagine they would be on the edge of it too.

    But yeah, back to Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackson View Post
    Also with regards to the Danelaw, what is interesting is that there is a big clump of specifically Scandinavian place names that runs through eastern parts of Yorkshire, Humberside and through the whole of Lincolnshire and down into Cambridgeshire, as well as north Norfolk. Outside these areas those place-names are quite thin on the ground and scattered. I'd be tempted to say they were the only areas of large-scale settlement by Danes in the Viking Age. Although i imagine it all got spread around over the centuries - People move quite a bit but villages and towns almost never do.

    @Vasa. Yeah it's interesting that our closest relatives outside the British Isles are Scandinavians and people of the Benelux. Dutch, north/west Germans, British, Irish and Scandinavians all seem to be part of a big NW Euro genetic cluster, although you can separate them all of course with more resolution. Don't know about the Belgians, Flemish and Bretons but i imagine they would be on the edge of it too.

    But yeah, back to Ireland.
    Thanks for the the information Jackson. I'm very interested in the information about the cluster. Do you know if Brittany or Northern France are in that NW Euro cluster?

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