Viking Surnames Across Ireland

[Dacul]

The original link is not working anymore, so I took the liberty to contribute in this thread:
https://www.aletterfromireland.com/i...iking-surname/
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/h...ames-1.2392951

[Grace O'Malley]

It seems they were Norwegian Vikings, that it seems to have left Norway and were allowed to settle in Ireland.
From the genetic point of view, is clear that average Irish got 20% Norway DNA,or even more.
From a cultural point of view, I do not know, I suppose Norway vikings had some influences at the Irish Keltic ethnicity.
From a cultural point of view, it seems that Irish Kelts and British Kelts had a much stronger influence in the creation of Icelandic and modern Norwegian nations than the Vikings had in Britain.
It is the better and stronger ethnicity that assimilates the inferior ethnicity.
The inferior and physically weaker ethnicity were the Norwegian Vikings.

See for example that Norway drinks a lot of cow milk compared to Sweden and Denmark - that is a very clear influence from Irish Kelts.
Iceland eats lots of sheep milk products, that being another influence from British and Irish Kelts, in Icelanders.

I don't know if you can make a blanket statement like that. The Vikings started all of Ireland major towns so that's a pretty big influence and they also introduced the first coins into Ireland. They also introduced rabbits into Ireland and nautical terms into the Irish language. They also expanded Ireland's trading routes to many other countries and as far away as Turkey. Regarding Iceland there was some influence on the names and also the Icelandic literary tradition was apparently influenced by the Irish.

I'm sure there are more influences if this was researched further.

[Dacul]

I don't know if you can make a blanket statement like that. The Vikings started all of Ireland major towns so that's a pretty big influence and they also introduced the first coins into Ireland. They also introduced rabbits into Ireland and nautical terms into the Irish language. They also expanded Ireland's trading routes to many other countries and as far away as Turkey. Regarding Iceland there was some influence on the names and also apparently the Icelandic literary tradition was apparently influenced by the Irish.

I'm sure there are more influences if this was researched further.

Is weird how Norway got 40% of mtDNA of British and Irish origins and in SW Norway, R1B-L21 peaks.
I also noticed that Irish are quite a maritime nation, now, so they took this influence from Norwegian Vikings.

Iceland speaks some North Germanic language, but they rather look Irish/Scottish Kelts.
I know in Scotland there are traditions with males accumulating physical strength, no idea about Ireland.
Like lifting very heavy stones and so on.
I understand Ireland also got such traditions, but I have not done so much research about this:
http://www.playingpasts.co.uk/articl...land%E2%80%8B/
These traditions with males becoming physically strong are also seen in Iceland and fewer in Norway.

Vikings were actually relying a lot on weapons and learning combat tactics and fighting very as a team and attacking by surprise.

[Grace O'Malley]

Is weird how Norway got 40% of mtDNA of British and Irish origins and in SW Norway, R1B-L21 peaks.
I also noticed that Irish are quite a maritime nation, now, so they took this influence from Norwegian Vikings.

Iceland speaks some North Germanic language, but they rather look Irish/Scottish Kelts.
I know in Scotland there are traditions with males accumulating physical strength, no idea about Ireland.
Like lifting very heavy stones and so on.
I understand Ireland also got such traditions, but I have not done so much research about this:
http://www.playingpasts.co.uk/articl...land%E2%80%8B/
These traditions with males becoming physically strong are also seen in Iceland and fewer in Norway.

Vikings were actually relying a lot on weapons and learning combat tactics and fighting very as a team and attacking by surprise.

The Irish were sailing before any Vikings. Irish monks were even in Iceland before the Vikings arrived and St Brendan, the Navigator, supposedly reached North America. The Irish were raiders and pirates themselves and often raided Britain and settled in a lot of areas of Britain with the best known Irish expansion being Dal Riada.

Vikings usually struck places that were politically fractured and the Irish were often fighting among themselves so it was an ideal place for the Vikings to make inroads into. They also used instability in England as well to gain a foothold. They were beaten when people got their act together like Brian Boru and the Battle of Clontarf.

[Daco Celtic]

I'm always baffled on these kind of forums as blond hair is supposed to be so rare in Ireland. I'm Irish and there are quite a few blonds in my family. I don't think blond hair is as rare in Ireland as it is made out to be. I don't know where people get their information from. Ireland has all the range of hair colours.

Many people expect the Conan O'Brien look for Irish people but I think I've actually seen more blonde Irish than redheads. My mom and some of her siblings have blonde hair and blue eyes but none of them have freckles or red hair. I think they could easily be stereotyped as Scandinavian. I don't think my family's Irish surnames have Norse roots but I'll recheck the family tree.

[Peterski]

Is weird how Norway got 40% of mtDNA of British and Irish origins and in SW Norway, R1B-L21 peaks.
I also noticed that Irish are quite a maritime nation, now, so they took this influence from Norwegian Vikings.

Yes Norway has some real/actual British admixture.

I don't think you can argue against overwhelming evidence that R1b-L21 migrated from Britain to Norway, not the other way around. All of the oldest known samples of L21 in ancient DNA known to date (well: I compiled this list a year ago, so maybe there are some new now) are from the British Isles.

Oldest ancient R1b-L21 samples (as of mid-2018):

I2457, Amesbury, England, 2480–2031 BC
I2565, Amesbury, England, 2470-2140 BC
I2447, Yarnton, England, 2400–2040 BC
I2453, West Deeping, England, 2289–2041 BC
I2568, Dryburn Bridge, Scotland, 2287–2039 BC
I2452, Willington, England, 2277–1920 BC
I3256, Cambridge, England, 2204–2029 BC
I2445, Yarnton, England, 2137–1930 BC
Rathlin1, Rathlin Island, Ireland, 2026–1885 BC
Rathlin2, Rathlin Island, Ireland, 2024–1741 BC
Rathlin3, Rathlin Island, Ireland, 1736–1534 BC
I3082, Sixpenny Handley, England, 1500–1390 BC
I2653, Longniddry, Scotland, 1500–1300 BC
HI1, Hinxton, England, 170 BC - 80 AD
HI2, Hinxton, England, 160 BC - 26 AD
6DRIF-18, York, England, 100-400 AD
6DRIF-21, York, England, 100-400 AD

^^^ Compared to modern distribution (according to Eupedia at least):



Show me ancient L21 samples from Bronze Age Norway, and I will agree that some R1b-L21 could actually be native to Norway.

[Grace O'Malley]

Many people expect the Conan O'Brien look for Irish people but I think I've actually seen more blonde Irish than redheads. My mom and some of her siblings have blonde hair (now gray in some cases) and blue eyes but none of them have freckles or red hair. I think they could easily be stereotyped as Scandinavian.

Red hair is always the most rare even in places like Ireland and Scotland although it always has a visibility there. Blond hair is relatively common as you can see looking through this Google search https://www.google.com/search?tbm=is...JTJe6XNmHSdVM:

I've even been accused of picking Irish that don't look like Irish on here by a couple of people. I've always found that bizarre. Anyway people now know that Irish are primarily a Bell Beaker population and are similar to their neighbours.

From the link above the Irish men's hockey team.

[Bellbeaking]

u20 rugger

[billErobreren]

Yup, there's a fair amount of them; MacIvor, McLeod, MacNeil among others will be some from the same roots you'll also find in the Hebrides. If you look at Donegal vs Waterford you'll see a greater amount of blonde hair in the latter.

[Daco Celtic]

Red hair is always the most rare even in places like Ireland and Scotland although it always has a visibility there. Blond hair is relatively common as you can see looking through this Google search https://www.google.com/search?tbm=is...JTJe6XNmHSdVM:

I've even been accused of picking Irish that don't look like Irish on here by a couple of people. I've always found that bizarre. Anyway people now know that Irish are primarily a Bell Beaker population and are similar to their neighbours.

From the link above the Irish men's hockey team.

I think that photo is a good composite of the typical Irish look(s). I've only been to Ireland once but I saw a lot of people with that appearance when I was there. The dude in the front-center is the most stereotypically Irish looking person I've ever seen