Black Irish

[Septentrion]

Black Irish is a term synonymous with a dark-haired phenotype exhibited by certain individuals native to or descended from Ireland. Opinions vary in regard to what is perceived as the usual physical characteristics of the so-called Black Irish: e.g., dark hair, brown eyes and medium skin tone; or dark hair, blue or green eyes and fair skin tone. Unbeknown to some who have used this term at one time or another, dark hair in people of Irish descent is common, although darker skin complexions appear less frequently.

Early 21st century genetic studies have provided new insights into the origins of Irish and British people. Correspondingly, researchers in the field have suggested that migrations from Prehistoric Iberia (Spain, Portugal and also the Basque region) can be viewed as the primary source for their genetic material, having demonstrated marked similarities with modern representatives of the aforementioned time period in that of the Basque people. However, the majority of Irish males fall under the R1b sub-clade L-21, which is quite rare for Basques



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YES

R1b did not come from Iberia rather from Eastern Europe through Western & Central Europe to the British Isles in one way, to Iberia in the other. Different branches or subclades. Update yourself, O.K!

[Sikeliot]

For whatever reason, "black Irish" types in my experience tend to be strongest around the Clare/Cork/Limerick/Tipperary area (southwest).

[Grace O'Malley]

For whatever reason, "black Irish" types in my experience tend to be strongest around the Clare/Cork/Limerick/Tipperary area (southwest).

Sikeliot no they are not. That's the area my mother comes from and I'm quite familiar with all those areas. There is without doubt very little difference across Ireland in the way people look. It's a small island with no place inaccessible. Why would people look different?

Munster rugby supporters. All those places you mentioned are in Munster.



Paul O'Connell and Ronan O'Gara both former Munster and Irish rugby players. O'Gara from Cork and O'Connell from Limerick.



Clare hurling team



Cork



Limerick



Tipperary



Kerry



Also what do people mean by "Black Irish"? Most Irish even with dark hair will have fair skin.

[Arduti]

Aren't Scots-Irish people Scyths? Scot = Scyth? They weren't blonde people. Blondeness and whiteness is not indigenous to Ireland.

I have attested and will continue to attest that "whitening of Europe" came from the North, and Germans did not take whiteness there. They invaded pre-Germanic Scandinavia and took whiteness back to the mainland during the Viking era. Franks are the same tribe as Allemani (German), and Franks are quite swarthy by comparison so I imagine this is what Allemani tribe originally looked like.

Also, Philip II invaded Ireland when Queen Elizabeth refused to marry him. His soldiers stayed in Ireland. So there's a Spanish element too.

[Grace O'Malley]

Aren't Scots-Irish people Scyths? Scot = Scyth? They weren't blonde people. Blondeness and whiteness is not indigenous to Ireland.

I have attested and will continue to attest that "whitening of Europe" came from the North, and Germans did not take whiteness there. They invaded pre-Germanic Scandinavia and took whiteness back to the mainland during the Viking era. Franks are the same tribe as Allemani (German), and Franks are quite swarthy by comparison so I imagine this is what Allemani tribe originally looked like.

Also, Philip II invaded Ireland when Queen Elizabeth refused to marry him. His soldiers stayed in Ireland. So there's a Spanish element too.

The Irish are genetically the same as the Scots and the Scythian thing is from old Irish legend. The foundation myths of the Irish and Scots is the same because the Scots originally came from Ireland.

The Scythian thing like the Milesian saga is myth and not factual.

Scots doesn't mean Scyth. It was the Roman name for the Irish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoti

People appear to like to peddle in myth instead of modern genetics.

[Arduti]

Scots doesn't mean Scyth. It was the Roman name for the Irish.

Why did Romans call them Scots, eh?

[TEUTORIGOS]

I could probably pass for black Irish. Phenotypically I probably look more French or Spanish but phenotype is only subset of the underlying larger genotype so I cluster with northern Europeans :







Here is my myheritage results :




AncestryDNA :



PCA chart (I am the black square) :

[Grace O'Malley]

Why did Romans call them Scots, eh?

No one really is sure today why they called them Scoti but in Irish mythology they believed they were descendants of the Pharoah's daughter Scota but I don't know if there is any connection there.

That why you had people named like the Irish theologian John Scottus Eriugena which translates as John the Irish born Gael.

[Septentrion]

Aren't Scots-Irish people Scyths? Scot = Scyth? They weren't blonde people. Blondeness and whiteness is not indigenous to Ireland.

I have attested and will continue to attest that "whitening of Europe" came from the North, and Germans did not take whiteness there. They invaded pre-Germanic Scandinavia and took whiteness back to the mainland during the Viking era. Franks are the same tribe as Allemani (German), and Franks are quite swarthy by comparison so I imagine this is what Allemani tribe originally looked like.

Also, Philip II invaded Ireland when Queen Elizabeth refused to marry him. His soldiers stayed in Ireland. So there's a Spanish element too.

Are you all there? Ireland is the epitome of whiteness. Humans range from pale, freckly Irish to the very dark brown people of Southern India. Scandinavians tans much more than the Irish!

[Septentrion]

Aren't Scots-Irish people Scyths? Scot = Scyth? They weren't blonde people. Blondeness and whiteness is not indigenous to Ireland.

I have attested and will continue to attest that "whitening of Europe" came from the North, and Germans did not take whiteness there. They invaded pre-Germanic Scandinavia and took whiteness back to the mainland during the Viking era. Franks are the same tribe as Allemani (German), and Franks are quite swarthy by comparison so I imagine this is what Allemani tribe originally looked like.

Also, Philip II invaded Ireland when Queen Elizabeth refused to marry him. His soldiers stayed in Ireland. So there's a Spanish element too.

Are you all there? Ireland is the epitome of whiteness. Humans range from pale, freckly Irish to the very dark brown people of Southern India. Scandinavians tans much more than the Irish!