Urumchi: The Ancient Nordic Mummies of China

[Anglojew]

Very Surprisingly there doesn't seem to be a thread about this here.

The Mummies of Ürümchi are well preserved bodies of Indo-Europeans of the Nordid (and possibly Kelto-Nordid) variety discovered in China and dating from 4,000 years ago. This disproved Chinese theories about their cultural development being in isolation, and shows that not only was there presumably trade between ancient peoples, but also that white people inhabited parts of China in ancient times. This adds further proof to the myths that ancient Chinese Emporers were white eg the Chinese name for the lower classes means "Black Hair" which implies the upper classes didn't have black hair;

"The Tarim mummies are a group of mummies discovered in the Tarim Basin in present-day Xinjiang, China, which date from 1900 BCE to 200 CE. Some of the mummies are frequently associated with the presence of the Indo-European Tocharians in the Tarim Basin, although the evidence is not totally conclusive. Victor H. Mair's team made the conclusion that the mummies are basically Europid and likely speakers of an Indo-European language."

The Caucasian, often heavily, tattooed mummies are of very tall blonde and red headed individuals with men up to 6'6" in height and would have been imposing figures in ancient times. They are dressed in very typical Indo-European tartan designs. They often have Marijuana with them. This has many implications for the introduction of culture to China by outsiders (or the other way) as Mallory and Mair note that: "Prior to c. 2000 BC, finds of metal artifacts in China are exceedingly few".

They were found here;



So probably have links to the Tocharians who were another Caucasian people living in the same area until they were wiped out or merged with the Uighur peoples.

Tocharians lived here;



Ancient depictions of them shows Caucasians with blue eyes and red hair (on left);



Photos of the Mummies;







Interestingly Genghiz Khan was discribed as red-headed with light eyes.

[Han Cholo]

The tocharians were not Celtic nor Germanic:

Tocharian or Tokharian (/təˈkɛəriən/ or /təˈkɑriən/) is an extinct branch of the Indo-European language family, formerly spoken in oases on the northern edge of the Tarim Basin (now part of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of China) by the Tocharians. Two branches of Tocharian are known from documents dating from the 3rd to 9th centuries AD:

Tocharian A (Agnean or East Tocharian; natively ārśi) of Qarašähär (ancient Agni, Chinese Yanqi) and Turpan (ancient Turfan and Xočo); and
Tocharian B (Kuchean or West Tocharian) of Kucha and Tocharian A sites.

Prakrit documents from 3rd century Kroran on the southeast edge of the Tarim Basin contain loanwords and names that appear to come from another variety of Tocharian, dubbed Tocharian C.[1] All these languages became extinct after Uyghur tribes expanded into the area.

They were an independent branch of IE.

[Anglojew]

The tocharians were not Celtic nor Germanic:



They were an independent branch of IE.

Yes but I think they migrated at about the same time as Celts also broke away from the Indo-European main group (eg in the first wave) thus they share many characteristics with Celts.

[Han Cholo]

Yes but I think they migrated at about the same time as Celts also broke away from the Indo-European main group (eg in the first wave) thus they share many characteristics with Celts.

I would think there were more similarities with Indo-Iranians, considering the geographical closeness.

[Anglojew]

I would think there were more similarities with Indo-Iranians, considering the geographical closeness.

There's some speculation that they're related to Iranians but what's clear is they're Indo-Europeans.

[Illustribus]

I'm highly interested in this tribe.

I have a book about their fabric; "The Mummies of Urumchi"


Their fabric has a high level of similarity to Celtic tartan. That was a big part of the book.

The beauty of loulan is is really beautiful for a 4000 year old mummy. It's too bad but I don't think she was preserved very well and her body has become much darker.


They actually wore hats EXACTLY like the witch hat kids wear for Halloween. If you watch a documentary on youtube about them they show the hats there- there are no pictures of those hats on the Internet (Mysterious Mummies of China (1998) Part 3 - I think that's the youtube video but im not sure) . I think they smoked lots of pot too.

To put this tribe into perspective; they found similar looking tribes in east russia near mongolia - but that doesn't get as much publicity b/c Russia is seen as less interesting (though it was far further north-east of the Tocharian tribes). I think there's a link between this tribe and the upper caste in India but I cannot remember how.

The book "Horse, Wheel, and Language", and "10,000 Year Explosion" talks about this indo-euroepan milk drinking, horse riding, tall people that spread out all over the place. I really like those books particularly "10,000 Year Explosion". (Also I saw a thread on Jewish intelligence- 10,000 year explosion has an amazing chapter on that very topic)

[Vesuvian Sky]

ahem....the Tarim Mummies are often suspected to be ancestral to the Tocharians:

The Tocharians or Tokharians (/təˈkɛəriənz/ or /təˈkɑriənz/) were inhabitants of medieval oasis city-states on the northern edge of the Tarim Basin (modern Xinjiang, China). Their Tocharian languages (a branch of the Indo-European family) are known from manuscripts from the 6th to 8th centuries AD, after which they were supplanted by the Turkic languages of the Uyghur tribes.
Some scholars have linked the Tocharians with the Afanasevo culture of eastern Siberia (c. 3500–2500 BC), the Tarim mummies (c. 1800 BC) and the Yuezhi of Chinese records, most of whom migrated from southern Gansu to Bactria in the 2nd century BC and then later to northwest India where they founded the Kushan Empire.

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[Wild North]

Interesting! So the Tocharians spoke an IE language. I´m not sure, they were also Buddhists (?).. And modern day historians are making a connection between them and the Uyghurs of today. Only that the Ughurs speak a non-IE Altaic language. But anyway, because of the occurance of blonds and blue eyed among the Uyghurs, it´s not impossible..

[Anglojew]

Interesting! So the Tocharians spoke an IE language. I´m not sure, they were also Buddhists (?).. And modern day historians are making a connection between them and the Uyghurs of today. Only that the Ughurs speak a non-IE Altaic language. But anyway, because of the occurance of blonds and blue eyed among the Uyghurs, it´s not impossible..

Yes, you've summed it up well except I think the Tocharians also became Nestorian Christians.