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    Facial reconstruction of Avars and Magyars. I've got these pictures from the Hungarian anthropology webpage. These pictures are all collected from the Hungarian museum. The Avars were originally mostly Euro-Mongoloid with an few mongoloid. They conquered Europe and assimilated it into the population. The Magyars are confederation of many tribes, one of the Magyar tribes were descent from Avars.


    Avar chief :- B Papkert Cemetery
    (Rippl-Ronai Museum, Kaposvar)



    Believed to be Avar leader:
    special burial with golden tin


    Avar Man: Csepel
    (MTM, Budapest)



    Ancient Avars were a militarized Turkic[2][3] equestrian group which established an empire spanning considerable areas of Central and Eastern Europe from the late 6th to the early 9th century.

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    Anthropological research has revealed few skeletons with Mongoloid-type features, although there was continuing cultural influence from the Eurasian nomadic steppe. The late Avar Period shows more hybridization resulting in higher frequencies of Europo-Mongolids.[19] Mongoloid and Euro-Mongoloid types which compose about one-third of the total population of the Avar graves of the eighth century. But as more Europids population becomes conquered by Avars, the percentage of Europids in Avars becomes much higher. According to Pál Lipták the early Avar anthropological material was almost exclusively Europid in the 7th century, while grave-goods indicated Middle and Central Asian parallels.[20] On the other hand there were cemeteries dated for the 8th century that contained Mongoloid elements among others. He analysed the Avar Period population of the Danube-Tisza midland region and stated that 80% of them was of Europid character. "


    Initially, the Avars and their subjects lived separately, except for Slavic and Germanic women who married Avar men. Eventually, the Germanic and Slavic peoples were included in the Avaric social order and culture, itself Persian-Byzantine in fashion.[21] Scholars have identified a fused, Avar-Slavic culture, characterized by ornaments such as half-moon-shaped earrings, Byzantine-styled buckles, beads, and bracelets with horn-shaped ends.[21] Paul Fouracre notes, "[T]here appears in the seventh century a mixed Slavic-Avar material culture, interpreted as peaceful and harmonious relationships between Avar warriors and Slavic peasants. It is thought possible that at least some of the leaders of the Slavic tribes could have become part of the Avar aristocracy".[22] Apart from the assimilated Gepids, a few graves of west Germanic (Carolingian) peoples have been found in the Avar lands. They perhaps served as mercenaries.[21]





    Magyars (<--- descent from Avar tribe too )

    Magyars were about 1/4 Mongoloid with few 1/2 mongoloid.
    Many of the tribes were Caucasoids.


    Magyar Man: B Papkert Cemetery
    Rippl-Ronai Museum, Kaposvar.




    Magyar women: B Papkert Cemetery
    Rippl-Ronai Museum, Kaposvar Budapest


    Magyar women: B Papkert Cemetery
    Rippl-Ronai Museum, Kaposvar Budapest


    Magyar man: from Benepuszta Budapest


    Magyar women Harta – Freifelt
    Viski Károly Múzeum, Kalocsa


    Magyar Man Harta – Freifelt
    Viski Károly Múzeum, Kalocsa



    Territories under magyar rule


    Magyars empire

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    I didn't expect them so much asiatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Žołnir View Post
    I didn't expect them so much asiatic.

    I wouldn't say that.

    Slavic Caucasoid were majority
    Mix Asiatic/Caucasoid second majority
    Pure Mongoloid type in Avars were few or minority

    But what do you expect though.... 20,000 Avars who went and conquered eastern part of europe cannot possibly change 5 million Europeans, even most of the Avar soldiers were slavic later and had a place in the Avars graves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButlerKing View Post
    I wouldn't say that.

    Slavic Caucasoid were majority
    Mix Asiatic/Caucasoid second majority
    Pure Mongoloid type in Avars were few or minority

    But what do you expect though.... 20,000 Avars who went and conquered eastern part of europe cannot possibly change 5 million Europeans, even most of the Avar soldiers were slavic later and had a place in the Avars graves.
    Most Avars settled in central Europe: Austria, Bavaria, Bohemia

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButlerKing View Post
    But what do you expect though.... 20,000 Avars who went and conquered eastern part of europe cannot possibly change 5 million Europeans, even most of the Avar soldiers were slavic later and had a place in the Avars graves.
    Your numbers are so stupid.

    First of all, Avars cannot possibly be 20.000 because the armies of major states, empires like Byzantines or Romans usually had 50.000 strong armies. Avars couldn't possibly defeat 50.000 strong armies with 20.000 people. They couldn't possibly create a giant Avar empire in there and continue to dominate for 300-400 years.

    Second of all, the population of so-called Europeans in central Europe was not five millions in 6th century AD, thats impossible. Also, Avars settled in central Europe right after Hunnic domination was over. That means, when Avars created their state in there, your so-called Europeans in that place was leftovers from Huns era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onur View Post
    Your numbers are so stupid.

    First of all, Avars cannot possibly be 20.000 because the armies of major states, empires like Byzantines or Romans usually had 50.000 strong armies. Avars couldn't possibly defeat 50.000 strong armies with 20.000 people. They couldn't possibly create a giant Avar empire in there and continue to dominate for 300-400 years.

    With military strategy they could.... numbers doesn't determine the win of the battle. The Greeks 300 people can defeat 100,000 to 1,000,000,000 Persians.


    Second of all, the population of so-called Europeans in central Europe was not five millions in 6th century AD, thats impossible. Also, Avars settled in central Europe right after Hunnic domination was over. That means, when Avars created their state in there, your so-called Europeans in that place was leftovers from Huns era.
    Why is it impossible for 5 millions in Central Europe?

    Hunnic domination ended in 469 and Avars started at 567, that's almost 100 years later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButlerKing View Post
    The Greeks 300 people can defeat 100,000 to 1,000,000,000 Persians.
    Some romantic stories from ancient Greece is a backup for your claims about Avars?

    Why is it impossible for 5 millions in Central Europe?
    Read about historical population figures of Europe and whole world, then you can understand why it`s impossible.

    I can say one thing; You can only talk about " 5+ millions of populations" for only some regions of China and India back in 6th century, you definitely cannot for Carpathian mountains and surroundings.

    Hunnic domination ended in 469 and Avars started at 567, that's almost 100 years later.
    You cannot separate Huns and Avars. Turkic Avars was already a part of Hunnic confederation and they were already in central Europe when Huns was over. The 90 years of gap is just the preparation time for their established state in the same place. As you can guess, no one can build states, empires in a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButlerKing View Post
    The Greeks 300 people can defeat 100,000 to 1,000,000,000 Persians.
    You don't possibly mean this?

    Usually everything with regards to battle numbers from ancient and medieval times are often exaggerated, but you could well at least tell that the story of "300 Spartans" is a fantasy. Its retarded beyond any logic to believe in it, but I'm not sure if your really serious. If you are, then you really need to stop talking about history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onur View Post
    Some romantic stories from ancient Greece is a backup for your claims about Avars?
    This is just a example, there many historical were the enemies outnumbered them greatly but still won through strategy

    Read about historical population figures of Europe and whole world, then you can understand why it`s impossible.

    I can say one thing; You can only talk about " 5+ millions of populations" for only some regions of China and India back in 6th century, you definitely cannot for Carpathian mountains and surroundings.
    Yeah I read and China had 50 million.


    How many in Central Europe were there than?



    You cannot separate Huns and Avars. Turkic Avars was already a part of Hunnic confederation and they were already in central Europe when Huns was over. The 90 years of gap is just the preparation time for their established state in the same place. As you can guess, no one can build states, empires in a day.

    So you're saying Huns were also Mongoloid? I was really hoping there was no connection between Huns and Avars but this makes me thing of Attila and those Mongoloid facial reconstructions with flat nose and small eyes, thin beard.


    " There is no surviving first-person account of Attila's appearance. There is, however, a possible second-hand source, provided by Jordanes, who cites a description given by Priscus. It suggests a person of Asian features.[1] "

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    Short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with grey; and he had a flat nose and tanned skin, showing evidence of his origin.[2] "

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