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    Quote Originally Posted by Inquiring Mind View Post
    i think it is because bosniaks are White and light pigmented Slavic
    Plus islamic

    so we certainly were favorized in the palace
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcan View Post
    Ottoman empire was actually a Bosniak empire. Turks were just their soldiers.
    how many sultans were pure turkish really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaRose View Post
    well it says how most of the historical peoples of the ottoman empire were of bosniak ancestry,which is true
    No, it isn't. By any stretch.

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    how many sultans were pure turkish really?
    The mothers of the greatest Ottoman sultans like Osman I, Mehmed II, Selim I and Suleiman I were Turkish noblewomen. After Suleiman, mothers were non-Turkish concubines, but even so, Ottoman sultans were completely patrilineal.

    In historical European monarchies, nobility from different nations used to intermarry and there were a lot of people with mixed identity and divided loyalty. There was no such thing for the Ottomans, who were a Turkish dynasty through and through.

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    Samo u periodu od 1544. do 1612. godine sljedeći Bošnjaci su bili:

    Veliki veziri - sadri azami:

    1. Rustem-paša Opuković (1544-1560.)
    2. Semiz Ali-paša Pračić (1560-1564.)
    3. Tavil Mehmed-paša Sokolović (1565-1579.)
    4. Sijavuš-paša, u tri navrata vezirovao sedam godina, umro 1594.
    5. Ibrahim-paša, novošherlija, u tri navrata vezirovao četiri godine, umro 1600.
    6. Javuz Ali-paša Malkoč, umro 1604.
    7. Lala Mehmed-paša Sokolović, umro 1607.
    8. Derviš-paša Sokolović, umro 1607.
    9. Kujundži Murat-paša (1607-1611.)

    Veziri sa četiri tuga (kao danas četiri zvjezdice)

    1. Pertev-paša 1562. godine
    2. Lala Kara Mustafa-paša Sokolović 1580. godine
    3. Halil-paša 1594. godine

    Veziri s tri tuga

    1. Kara Mustafa-paša Jurjević 1538. godine
    2. Sinan-paša Opuković 1553. godine
    3. Kara Osman-han 1554. godine
    4. Pijale-paša 1574. godine
    5. Mustafa-paša Sokolović, pogubljen 1574. godine
    6. Ferhat-paša Sokolović, stradao u atentatu 1590. godine
    7. Hasan-paša Sokolović, gazi 1598. godine
    8. Gazi Hasan-paša Tiro, 1602. godine
    9. Ibrahim-han Sokolović, (Begler-beg bosanski) 1609. godine
    10. Ahmed-paša Dugalić, 1612. godine

    Veliki admirali - kapudan paše

    1. Sofi Ali-paša (namjesnik u Egiptu 1562. godine)
    2. Murat-paša Sokolović, poginuo u Jemenu 1569.
    3. Oludž Hasan-paša - kapudan-paša, 1587.
    4. Halil-paša Lipčanin, umro 1590.
    5. Gazi Hasan-paša Predojević, poginuo kod Siska 1593.
    6. Husein-paša Bajramagić (bosanski begler-beg) 1594.
    7. Mehmed-paša Kljunović, poginuo u Ugarskoj 1600.
    8. Derviš-paša Bajezidagić, poginuo na Otoku sv. Margarete 1601.
    9. Mustafa-paša Sokolović, namjesnik u Budimu 1605.
    10. Mustafa.paša Olovčić, (bosanski begler-beg)

    Bosanski namjesnici sa titulom beg

    1. Malkoč-beg (Dugalić) 1553. godine
    2. Hamza-beg Biharović 1557. godine
    3. Sinan-beg Bajramagić 1562. godine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medvjed View Post
    Some of these are Serbs and Croats...
    Medvjed you converted to Orthodoxy?
    PS, yes most of those "Bosniaks" were Serbs or Croats. (I am not trolling).

    Bosnian. Check their relatives, offten they were Orthodox bishops

    All Sokolovići were Serbs (their relatives were patriarchs, Makarije, Antonije, Savatije, Gerasim), Hasan-paša Predojević as well (his brother Metropolitan Maksim)
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    In Karelia? Japs won that one too. The Japanese were impressed with massed artilery, but soviets lacked the tactics and lost it.
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    I see, explain to me why is Anatolia who was ruled by Ottomans for longer in better shape than Turkey
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    Serbia was a vasal state of the Ottomans ever since the Battle of Maritsa. It even participated in attack on Bosnia
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    I know about Sokolovic,some Bosniaks view him as bosniak personally he is serb in my eyes
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaRose View Post
    I know about Sokolovic,some Bosniaks view him as bosniak personally he is serb in my eyes
    Your eyes, besides being pretty pretty, are in good condition then.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hrulj View Post
    In Karelia? Japs won that one too. The Japanese were impressed with massed artilery, but soviets lacked the tactics and lost it.
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    I see, explain to me why is Anatolia who was ruled by Ottomans for longer in better shape than Turkey
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    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaRose View Post
    thanks
    Well you deserved it.
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    In Karelia? Japs won that one too. The Japanese were impressed with massed artilery, but soviets lacked the tactics and lost it.
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    I see, explain to me why is Anatolia who was ruled by Ottomans for longer in better shape than Turkey
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    The main bulk of the noble Ottoman Beyliks at the begining were Turkmens. After 2nd or 3rd generation they all became constantly Serbian, Bosnian, Greek, Ukrainian, Russian, Romanian, French, Danube Bulgarian, Circassian etc etc....


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