Khazar origin of the European jews has been confirmed by a study in John Hopkins university

[Vesuvian Sky]

Onur wrote on Dienekes blogspot:

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/08...n-and.html?m=1

I saw some criticism of his paper where a guy points that the author does
does not know basic geography and related history saying for example that Khazar empire was situated only in West Asia and as Davidski said he was treating Armenians as a proxy for the gene pool of the Khazar empire and that Armenians are not even a useful Caucasian reference set.

I am still interested why Sicilians and Greeks (from islands?) and Ashkenazi Jews cluster together. Coincidence? Two-three years ago anothet Jewish scientist wrote a paper of A. Jews being southern Italian converts. I wonder what will be written in the next two years.

Oh, I thought this latest study from JHU actually may have found the 'Khazar component'. I read Davidski's critique and truthfully, Assyrians, various Arab groups, and Iranians all have significant West Asian/Caucuses component. Even if there is unique genetic Caucus signature to Ashkenazim of a non-Proto-semetic origin then it would be due to local Caucus interaction rather the Turkic Khazar. I don't think any of the spreadsheets show an 'Altaic' or 'Central Asian' component for Jews of any type anyway.

But some people need a Phd/graduate thesis soooo....

[Insuperable]

Oh, I thought this latest study from JHU actually may have found the 'Khazar component'. I read Davidski's critique and truthfully, Assyrians, various Arab groups, and Iranians all have significant West Asian/Caucuses component. Even if there is unique genetic Caucus signature to Ashkenazim of a non-Proto-semetic origin then it would be due to local Caucus interaction rather the Turkic Khazar. I don't think any of the spreadsheets show an 'Altaic' or 'Central Asian' component for Jews of any type anyway.

But some people need a Phd/graduate thesis soooo....

I was reading some of the Anglojew's posts (including his signature) and I am really wondering is what he says true! At first I found them silly.
I find the fact that Sicilians, Islander Greeks (perhaps the closest thing to the ancient Greeks ) and Ashkenazi Jews (who indeed have sime minor Eastern European input) cluster together one hell of a coincidence so perhaps over 2000 years Ashkenazis were preserved when compared to negrified and further Arabized Levantines as AJ claims.
Then when considering Ashkenazi it is perplexing the fact that Sephardi (who have nothing to do with the Khazar hypothesis) are very similar with Ashkenazis...

[Partizan]

Onur wrote on Dienekes blogspot:

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/08...n-and.html?m=1
I am just wondering what changed your mind?

As far as I know, there is another Onur who writes in Dienekes and other genetic blogs.

[Vesuvian Sky]

I was reading some of the Anglojew's posts (including his signature) and I am really wondering is what he says true! At first I found them silly.
I find the fact that Sicilians, Islander Greeks (perhaps the closest thing to the ancient Greeks ) and Ashkenazi Jews (who indeed have sime minor Eastern European input) cluster together one hell of a coincidence so perhaps over 2000 years Ashkenazis were preserved when compared to negrified and further Arabized Levantines as AJ claims.
Then when considering Ashkenazi it is perplexing the fact that Sephardi (who have nothing to do with the Khazar hypothesis) are very similar with Ashkenazis...

Khazar hypothesis is interesting to say the least, but there's not much to it to be perfectly honest. Truthfully, if Khazar ruling Turkic class left any genetic contribution to Ashkenazi then it would have been 1-6% IMO. Only that one clade of M-17 is a possible genetic legacy but even that's somewhat ambiguous (not to mention infrequent).

There are of course Turkic Jews still around:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krymchaks

I don't know if there have been any genetic studies on Krymchaks but regardless average Ashkenazi is almost certainly a "Judean refugee" just like Sephardim rather then a "Khazar Khan". Of course other components were picked up along the way but the genetic evidence mostly points towards origin in the ME, and that's regardless of phenotype.

[Onur]

Onur wrote on Dienekes blogspot:

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/08...n-and.html?m=1
I am just wondering what changed your mind?

I have no idea who the fck is that Onur in Dienekes blog. I don't know much about genetics myself. Even if i would interest with it, I wouldn't write in the Dienekes`s blog at all. Afaik, he has Turkish speaking grandparents but he claims pure hellenic origin for Greeks and for the half of all Balkanites incl. Turks. He also compares skull shapes of modern Greeks with the ancient sculptures. In short, he is an idiot.

There are of course Turkic Jews still around:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krymchaks

There is one more Turkic group who believes in judaism;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Karaites

Karaites/Karaims speaks Turkic, close to Tatar tongue and they say that they are descendents of Khazars. They have their small communities in Poland, Lithuania, Turkey, Russia. They have recorded history in these places for 1000 years;

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...7&postcount=19

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...t=62435&page=3

[LastManOnEarth]

A major genetic study of Ashkenazim was led by Johns Hopkins geneticist Eran Israeli-Elhaik in 2012. It concentrates on the compelling genetic evidence that eastern European Jewry's roots are not just in the Mid-East but, perhaps even more so, in the Caucasus, the mountainous heartland of ancient Khazaria.

Elhaik says that because of dissatisfaction with current theory he and others are forced to look again at the possibility that the Mid-East and Semitic genes present in eastern European Jewry may primarily have come from the east. His team is compelled to research this possibility because genetic testing of Ashkenazim continues to reveal a high percentage of genes particular only to the relatively isolated, mountainous region of the Caucasus. Having completed a thorough genetic study of Ashkenazim worldwide, he is launching an even more extensive analysis in his "Khazar DNA Project," specializing in testing Jews from the region of Khazaria itself.

Here are some of Dr. Elhaik's conclusions as a result of his genetic study of Ashkenazim:


The graphs in the study shows that the European Jews shows closer DNA similarity with Georgians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis and Turks instead of middle-eastern jews.


You can read full study here;

http://eelhaik.aravindachakravartila...ngLink2012.pdf

Basically, when Justinian attacked and outlawed the Jews in Palestine in 531, it created a diaspora of survivors.

Justinian hated the Jews because of their heavy involvement with for example human sacrifice.

One major route of escape was up north to the Caucasus, where the mingled with the pre-existing culture and the so called Khazar nation was formed.

Another significant settlement was around certain lagoons in Northern Italy, which eventually lead to the the formation of the Republic of Venice, the first Jewish nation state in Europe.

When Venice collapsed in 1797, the Venetian system was transplanted into the English empire through diplomatic ties, freemasonry etc.

That is the explanation why the coronation ceremony of queen Elizabeth II for example was basically an occult kabbalistic ritual.

When we get some perspective on certain things like these it might be appropriate to re-examine ideas of "Jewish supremacy" and such.

[d3cimat3d]

Jews are too "Western" genetically to be descended from the Khazars. Jews look more like a intermediate of Syrian and some kind of Southern European, probably Italian.



They have some non-Caucasoid, Asian DNA but it's very minimal, like 1-2%. I'm sure Khazars were at least 10% Asian.

[Philo]

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gn...m-the-khazars/
DISPROVED.
Ashkenazim and sephardim jews do have alot of anatolian though. I saw a tv show where they went inside catacombs in Jerusalem and a guy from apamea in syria was buried there. He was'nt jewish from birth but he got converted there. At the time of the roman empire, 6 million out of the 60 million people under roman rule were jews and alot of those were converts. That guy was from northern syria but many got converted in anatolia. After Judea, the places with most jews were the roman province of syria and anatolia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apamea,_Syria

Justinian hated the Jews because of their heavy involvement with for example human sacrifice.

Proof?
I actually have ALOT of proof that germanics did human sacrifice:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bog_body
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bog_bodies

[7eleven]

Ashkenazim are not close to Caucasus people at all and those groups that are listed such as Armenians and Druze were not even a part of the Khazar empire. They were much further south, all this really shows is that Israelites were most similar to Armenians and Druze.

[Annihilus]

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