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    Default German anthem is a Croatian folk song

    http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/hadow3.html

    The researcher who first propounded the view that Haydn's music abounds in Croatian folk tunes was the Croatian ethnologist Franjo Kuhač, who gathered a great number of Croatian tunes in field work. Kuhač's views, published in Croatian in his Josip Haydn i hrvatske narodne popievke (Zagreb, 1880) were made better known in English speaking countries by the musicologist Henry Hadow, in his book A Croatian Composer (1897) and in various editions of the prestigious Grove Dictionary). Kuhač and Hadow published a number of cases of Croatian folk tunes gathered in field work judged to have been incorporated into Haydn's compositions.
    It is no barrier to this theory that Haydn never visited Croatia. The Austro-Hungarian border region in which the composer spent his first years included a large number of people living in Croatian ethnic enclaves.
    Here are themes from Haydn's work held to have originated in Croatian folk music.



    The opening theme of the finale of Haydn's Symphony No. 104 (the "London" Symphony) is said to be based on the Croatian traditional song Oj, Jelena, Jelena, jabuka zelena ("Oh, Helen, Helen, green apple of mine"). The Words and music of this song are available on-line (source: Burgenland-Bunch Songbook).
    The finale of the "Drumroll" Symphony no. 103 begins with a theme claimed to be based on the Croatian folk song Divojčica potok gazi ("A little girl treads on a brook").
    The tune of what is now the German national anthem was written by Haydn—paradoxically, to serve as a patriotic song for Austria. The tune is held to have its roots in an old folk song known in Medjimurje and northern regions of Croatia under the name "Stal se jesem". For details, see "Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser."
    A song widely known in Croatia, Nikaj na svetu lepšega ni, nego gorica kad nam rodi...(Nothing more beautiful in the world than a fruitful hill), appears in an early work by Haydn, the Cassation in G major (1765).


    Melodija njemačke himne potiče iz Hrvatske i mnogo je starija od melodije koju je Joseph Haydn 1797. komponovao kao himnu u počast cara Franje II., posljednjeg cara Svetog Njemačkog Rimskog Carstva, od 1804. pod imenom Franjo I. ugarsko-hrvatskog kralja, piše "Večernji".
    Od 1922. tu su melodiju, sa tekstom Hoffmanna von Fallerslebena iz 1841., Nijemci uzeli za državnu himnu koja važi i danas.

    Hrvatski muzikolog Franjo Kuhač (1834.-1911.) tu je melodiju, kao mnogo stariju od Haydnove, zapisao kao vrlo stari napjev "Stal se jesem rano jutro malo pred zoru" porijeklom iz Marije Bistrice, Sv. Ivana Zeline, Međimurja i Gradišća.
    Last edited by Sikeliot; 04-07-2013 at 05:24 PM.

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    I translated this from croatian wikipedia:
    http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Haydn

    Examples of themes in the works of Haydn, based on Croatian folk tunes:

    Theme final 104th Symphony ("London") apparently composed on the basis of Croatian folk song "Oj, Jelena, Jelena, jabuka zelena."
    Finale of 103rd Symphony begins with the theme for which is claimed to be based on the Croatian folk song "Divojčica potok gazi".
    Melody, which is now known as the German national anthem, written by Haydn. Kuhac is written as a very old tune "Stal se jesem rano jutro malo pred zoru," originating from Marija Bistrica, Sv. Ivan Zelina, Medjimurje and Burgenland.
    The song is very well known in Croatia, "Nikaj na svetu lepšega ni, nego gorica kad nam rodi", appears in the early part of Haydn Cassation in G major.
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    What the hell.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilberth View Post
    commentators accuse him of srbinization song

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valerija View Post
    http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/hadow3.html

    The researcher who first propounded the view that Haydn's music abounds in Croatian folk tunes was the Croatian ethnologist Franjo Kuhač, who gathered a great number of Croatian tunes in field work. Kuhač's views, published in Croatian in his Josip Haydn i hrvatske narodne popievke (Zagreb, 1880) were made better known in English speaking countries by the musicologist Henry Hadow, in his book A Croatian Composer (1897) and in various editions of the prestigious Grove Dictionary). Kuhač and Hadow published a number of cases of Croatian folk tunes gathered in field work judged to have been incorporated into Haydn's compositions.
    It is no barrier to this theory that Haydn never visited Croatia. The Austro-Hungarian border region in which the composer spent his first years included a large number of people living in Croatian ethnic enclaves.
    Here are themes from Haydn's work held to have originated in Croatian folk music.

    The opening theme of the finale of Haydn's Symphony No. 104 (the "London" Symphony) is said to be based on the Croatian traditional song Oj, Jelena, Jelena, jabuka zelena ("Oh, Helen, Helen, green apple of mine"). The Words and music of this song are available on-line (source: Burgenland-Bunch Songbook).
    The finale of the "Drumroll" Symphony no. 103 begins with a theme claimed to be based on the Croatian folk song Divojčica potok gazi ("A little girl treads on a brook").
    The tune of what is now the German national anthem was written by Haydn—paradoxically, to serve as a patriotic song for Austria. The tune is held to have its roots in an old folk song known in Medjimurje and northern regions of Croatia under the name "Stal se jesem". For details, see "Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser."
    A song widely known in Croatia, Nikaj na svetu lepšega ni, nego gorica kad nam rodi...(Nothing more beautiful in the world than a fruitful hill), appears in an early work by Haydn, the Cassation in G major (1765).


    Melodija njemačke himne potiče iz Hrvatske i mnogo je starija od melodije koju je Joseph Haydn 1797. komponovao kao himnu u počast cara Franje II., posljednjeg cara Svetog Njemačkog Rimskog Carstva, od 1804. pod imenom Franjo I. ugarsko-hrvatskog kralja, piše "Večernji".
    Od 1922. tu su melodiju, sa tekstom Hoffmanna von Fallerslebena iz 1841., Nijemci uzeli za državnu himnu koja važi i danas.

    Hrvatski muzikolog Franjo Kuhač (1834.-1911.) tu je melodiju, kao mnogo stariju od Haydnove, zapisao kao vrlo stari napjev "Stal se jesem rano jutro malo pred zoru" porijeklom iz Marije Bistrice, Sv. Ivana Zeline, Međimurja i Gradišća.
    Who has funded this research?
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    Quote Originally Posted by derLowe View Post
    Who has funded this research?
    Hrvatski muzikolog Franjo Kuhač (1834.-1911.) tu je melodiju, kao mnogo stariju od Haydnove, zapisao kao vrlo stari napjev "Stal se jesem rano jutro malo pred zoru" porijeklom iz Marije Bistrice, Sv. Ivana Zeline, Međimurja i Gradišća.

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    not true, it was mixed with a german church song together



    this docu explains it very well

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    You are going to have to post up the Croatian song before I believe any of this.
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    Is this song that the study is talking about?

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