Does your Paternal lineage determine your tribe?

[Fire Haired]

Y DNA spread by Indo Europeans

R1a1a1 M417:Bug dneister culture probably also one of the proto Indo European haplogroups but may have later became indo europeans by the spread of another people.

R1a1a1b S224: Yamna culture and probably also late Bug Dniester culture. and also Indo European(possibly proto Indo European) maybe proto Balto Slavic Indo Iranian.

R1a1a1b1 Z283: Corded ware culture and Balto Slavic.

R1a1a1b2 Z93 Abashevo and Sinshta cultures and Indo Iranian.

R1b1a2a1 L51 and R1b1a2a1a L11: Germanic Italo celtic no specfic culture has been found but since 31 Y DNa samples from neloithic west europe 24 had G2a, 4 had I2a1a, one had E1b1b V13, one had F*(i think one of its decendants), and one had F or one of its decendants. Not one R1b then suddenly two 4,600ybp R1b samples from german Bell Beaker culture teh exact spot proto Germanic Italo Celtic speakers are suppose to have arrived.

R1b S116: Italo Celtic but with some very very rare Germanic branches that are probably from inter marriage when both were in central Europe 4,000-5,00ybp.

R1b L21: Insular Celtic. It would have begun in France but was dominate in Insular Celtic speakers who spread acroos Britain and Ireland 3,000-4,300ybp.

R1b S28: Italo Gaulish Urnfield culture

R1b Df27: CeltIberian would have begun in France but dominte in CeltIberian speakers who spread acroos Iberia anywhere from 2,700-4,300ybp.

R1b S21: Germanic began probably around the Netherlands or central Europe but was deifntley major in proto Geranic speaking Nordic bronze age culture

[Smaug]

Tribe of Israelites.

[Vesuvian Sky]

R1a1a1 M417:Bug dneister culture

The updated 2013 R1a1a clades chart by Lapinski suggests this clade's date to be more in line with Khvalynsk culture:



still very PIE though.

[Damião de Góis]

Fire Haired, do you know what my Y-DNA would be in this new nomenclature? I've been told 23andme is outdated in that aspect.

[Fire Haired]

Fire Haired, do you know what my Y-DNA would be in this new nomenclature? I've been told 23andme is outdated in that aspect.

Ur Y DNA is now called R1b1a2a1a2 S116 they only changed it from R1b1b to R1b1a. The part that never changes is the S116 but when they find new subgroups they give new names. Technically u can call all Human Y DNA after A so it would go really far down like A1a1a1a1b3a4e5a6b3a9a2b1. So u are apart of the Italo Celtic branch not a suprise since u are from Portugal were it is about 50%.

map of Italo Celtic R1b1a2a1a2 S116


I would bet u have the subclade that is almost completely dominate in Iberia R1b Df27

[Fire Haired]

Tribe of Israelites.

Abraham is the father of the jews but he came from modern day Iraq. I doubt his y dna has survived that well. because u should not except all jews to trace their direct paternal line to Abraham. I am sure though his is popular and that eventulley they will find it. Some think they found the Y DNA haplogroup of Aaron brother of Moses click here . It would be awesome if they could find the Y DNA of important people in the Bible who should have alot of direct male descendants like King David and kind Solomon.

[Damião de Góis]

I would bet u have the subclade that is almost completely dominate in Iberia R1b Df27

I don't know. Doesn't R1b Df27 has a bigger way to writing it? Like R1b1a2a1a2XXX ?

[Fire Haired]

I don't know. Doesn't R1b Df27 has a bigger way to writing it? Like R1b1a2a1a2XXX ?

It is one branch under R1b1a2a1a S116 so R1b1a2a1a2 Df27. click here

[Smaug]

Abraham is the father of the jews but he came from modern day Iraq. I doubt his y dna has survived that well. because u should not except all jews to trace their direct paternal line to Abraham. I am sure though his is popular and that eventulley they will find it. Some think they found the Y DNA haplogroup of Aaron brother of Moses click here . It would be awesome if they could find the Y DNA of important people in the Bible who should have alot of direct male descendants like King David and kind Solomon.

Don't worry, that was only a joke boyo.

[Damião de Góis]

It is one branch under R1b1a2a1a S116 so R1b1a2a1a2 Df27. click here

Ok i got it. Seems that the old way of writing R1b Df27 was R1b1b2a1a2*