How are native ethnic minorities in Russia percieved by Russians?

[Qutuzistan]

ohh look whos talking

Is that all you can do. Some piss poor YouTube videos. Iran is a multicultural and multiethnic society, the only requirement to be iranian is to speak an iranian language and to belong to one of the many nations in there. Azeris are not being discriminated in Iran. That is ridicules, a shitload of Iranian leadership are azeris and non-persians themselves(including Ahmadinejad, the Turko-iranian shah, and khomeini). Turko-Iranians are fully assimilated into iranian society. Just because there are some Azeri nationalists influenced by the rise of Turkish nationalism, complain about not being represented, doesn't mean there is any genuine. I'm a Baloochi myself, and I don't feel any different to a persian. There is no violent ethnic-rivalry and certainly no neo-nazis or forced subjugation of people in Iran. You have to be fucking kidding me if you're going to compare Azeris(who have their own country) to the situation of Chechens. There is 0 analogy.

[RussiaPrussia]

Is that all you can do. Some piss poor YouTube videos. Iran is a multicultural and multiethnic society, the only requirement to be iranian is to speak an iranian language and to belong to one of the many nations in there. Azeris are not being discriminated in Iran. That is ridicules, a shitload of Iranian leadership are azeris and non-persians themselves(including ahmedinejad, the turko-iranian shah, and khomeini. Just because there are some azeri nationalists who complain about not being represented, doesn't mean there is any genuine. I'm a baloochi myself, and I don't feel any different to a persian. There is no violent ethnic-rivlary and certainly no neo-nazis or forced subjugation of people in Iran.

of course there is, iran means land of the arians and your president threatened to nuke israel hitler would be proud be just quiet dude. Like i said youre from iran more i dont have to say.

You just hate it if white people are nationalistic in any way but for your country ohh its no problem. You dont even have any immigrations to care about in first place because your goverment doesnt let refugees into its country. And the very view are too view so people dont care about.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Arabism#Iran

Some critics of the Iranian government contend that it is carrying out a policy of anti-Arab ethnic cleansing.[48][49] While there has been large amounts of investment in industrial projects such as the Razi Petrochemical Complex,[50] local universities,[51][52][53] and other national projects such as hydroelectric dams (such as the Karkeh Dam, which cost $700 million to construct) and nuclear power plants,[54] many critics of Iran's economic development policies have pointed to the poverty suffered by Arabs in Khuzestan as proof of an anti-Arab policy agenda. Following his visit to Khuzestan in July 2005, UN Special Rapporteur for Adequate Housing Miloon Kothari spoke of how up to 250,000 Arabs had been displaced by such industrial projects and noted the favorable treatment given to settlers from Yazd compared to the treatment of local Arabs.[55]

[Qutuzistan]

of course there is, iran means land of the arians and your president threatened to nuke israel hitler would be proud be just quiet dude. Like i said youre from iran more i dont have to say.

Lol at the time when Iran became a country and the state changed it's name to "Iran" the shah was an azeri, when Iran "became he land of aryans". Iranian culture today is formed by Safavid dynasty which was obviously a mixed dynasty and not solely Persian. A long line of Iranian kings and nobility are of Azeri origin. So your point is moot. There is no difference between an Azeri-iranian, and a Persian-iranian or Kurdish-iranian. And threatening to nuke Israel is not an exclamation of racism, it was an anti-israel comment. Muslim countries lost their racial consciousness a looooong time ago, so much that ethnic belonging has more to do with language rather than looks and genetics. You cannot seriously compare a fucked up fascist nation like Russia full with neo-nazis and other Obsessed racialist fascist scum with Iran. Russia is unprecedented in that, there has never been and never will be such racism in Iran.

You just hate it if white people are nationalistic in any way but for your country ohh its no problem. You dont even have any immigrations to care about in first place because your goverment doesnt let refugees into its country. And the very view are too view so people dont care about.

It's entirely different situation you moron. Be nationalist at your own accord. But first let go of all the other nations territories you've forcibly claimed, and then be nationalist and fascist all you like without being god damned hypocrites. But as long as you keep these oppressed nations territories subjugated, you'll always remain a despicable hypocritical nation. First leave all these nations, then talk about "problems of immigration". I wonder how you have the nerve to defend nationalism in Russia and yet support the Russian presence in Chechnya. What about Chechen nationalism, doesn't that idea have a right to exist? If you're so fucking nationalist and consistent with principles, why don't you leave other people to pursue their nationalist aspirations?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Arabism#Iran

That is another dispute. Khuzestan had problems during the Iran-iraq war by supporting Saddam. And people still remember that. Arab nationalism was hostile Iran, which unfortunately infected people of Arab descent in Khuzestan. And besides khuzestan belonged to greater irans homeland territory, far long before it became settled by Arab colonies, people there are mostly south-Iranian with some Arab ancestry, and they speak Arabic as their second language. The situation in khuzestan is like kosovo, it has been iranian territory since the elamites. You can't say the same about Chechnya, or the Urals, or Siberia, or any non-Russian territory you claim, who you took over only 300-400 years ago by force.

[RussiaPrussia]

Lol at the time the shah was an azeri, when Iran "became he land of aryans". Iranian culture today is formed by Safavid dynasty which was obviously a mixed dynasty and not solely Persian. A long line of Iranian kings and nobility are of Azeri origin. So your point is moot. There is no difference between an Azeri-iranian and a Persian-iranian. And threatening to nuke israel is not an exclamation of racism. Muslim countries lost their racial consciousness a looooong time ago, so much that ethnic belonging has more to do with language rather than looks and genetics. You cannot seriously compare a fucked up fascist nation like Russia full with neo-nazis and other racialist fascist scum with Iran. Russia is unprecedented in that, there has never been and never will be such racism in Iran.


It's entirely different situation you moron. Be nationalist at your own accord. But first let go of all the other nations territories you've forcibly claimed, and then be nationalist and fascist all you like without being god damned hypocrites. But as long as you keep these oppressed nations territories subjugated, you'll always remain a despicable hypocritical nation. First leave all these nations, then talk about "problems of immigration". I wonder how you have the nerve to defend nationalism in russia and yet support the Russian presence in Chechnya. What about Chechen nationalism, doesn't that idea have a right to exist? If you're so fucking nationalist and consistent with principles, why don't you leave other people to pursue their nationalist aspirations?


That is another dispute. Khuzestan had problems during the Iran-iraq war by supporting Saddam. And people still remember that. Arab nationalism was hostile Iran, which unfortunately infected people of Arab descent in Khuzestan. And besides khuzestan belonged to greater irans homeland territory, far longer than it belonged to arab colonialists,people there are mostly south-Iranian with some Arab ancestry. You can't say the same about Chechnya, or the urals, or Siberia, or any non-Russian territory you claim.

yes its same situation also russians experienced genocide by mongols it justifies it, you suppress innocent arabs and turks.

I also diddnt read it only last part because i dont care youre just a hypocrite.

[Qutuzistan]

yes its same situation also russians experienced genocide by mongols it justifies it, you suppress innocent arabs and turks.

I also diddnt read it only last part because i dont care youre just a hypocrite.

How is the same situation moron? Have you read any history about khuzestan, moron?

The province of Khuzestan is one of the centres of ancient civilization, based around Susa. The first large scale empire based here was that of the powerful 4th millennium BC Elamites.

Archeological ruins verify the entire province of Khuzestan to be home to the Elamite civilization, a non-Semitic, and non-Indo-European-speaking kingdom, and "the earliest civilization of Persia".[3] The name Khuzestan is derived from the Elamite (Ūvja).[4]

In fact, in the words of Elton L. Daniel, the Elamites were "the founders of the first 'Iranian' empire in the geographic sense."[5] Hence the central geopolitical significance of Khuzestan, the seat of Iran's first empire.[citation needed]

In 640 BC, the Elamites were defeated by Ashurbanipal, coming under the rule of the Assyrians who brought destruction upon Susa and Chogha Zanbil. But in 538 BC, Cyrus the Great was able to re-conquer the Elamite lands. The city of Susa was then proclaimed as one of the Achaemenid capitals. Darius the Great then erected a grand palace known as Apadana there in 521 BC. But this astonishing period of glory and splendor of the Achaemenian dynasty came to an end by the conquests of Alexander of Macedon. After Alexander, the Seleucid dynasty came to rule the area.

As the Seleucid dynasty weakened, Mehrdad I the Parthian (171-137 BC), gained ascendency over the region. During the Sassanid dynasty this area thrived tremendously and flourished, and this dynasty was responsible for the many constructions that were erected in Ahvaz, Shushtar, and the north of Andimeshk.

During the early years of the reign of Shapur II (AD 309 or 310-379), Arabs crossed the Persian Gulf from Bahrain to "Ardashir-Khora" of Fars and raided the interior. In retaliation, Shapur II led an expedition through Bahrain, defeated the combined forces of the Arab tribes of "Taghleb", "Bakr bin Wael", and "Abd Al-Qays" and advanced temporarily into Yamama in central Najd. The Sassanids resettled these tribes in Kerman and Ahvaz. Arabs named Shapur II, as "Shabur Dhul-aktāf" after this battle.[6]

The existence of prominent scientific and cultural centers such as Academy of Gundishapur which gathered distinguished medical scientists from Egypt, India, and Rome, shows the importance and prosperity of this region during this era. The Jondi-Shapur Medical School was founded by the order of Shapur I. It was repaired and restored by Shapur II (a.k.a. Zol-Aktaf: "The Possessor of Shoulder Blades") and was completed and expanded during the reign of Anushirvan.

When did people in Grozny go to a town like kursk and take it? And what do these Siberian tribes, caucasians, central-asians, have to do with Mongolians or Tatars? Genghis khan doesn't even exist today. Besides you're a fucking half-kraut who lives in Germany. You're not even russian.

[Pure ja]

Thanks for the links, its quite a news to me. However the reasons for such attitude of government are unclear.

One may speculate that some of the instances may be simply result of desire of some natives in power to exploit their priviledges for personal gain at expense of the rest as it is common in current corrupted state.

Some, yes. But even that is supported by Kremlin with the aim to keep the natives (meaning: non-russian natives) in check.

In other cases it could be overly increase of influence of foreign powers on minorities which Russian government may consider as a threat to country's integrity.

While that may be the excuse, the result is nevertheless the suppression of natives.
And may I note that the country you refer to is formally a federation, but essentially still an empire - the largest empire in the world. The leaders of federation subjects are appointed by Kremlin. The borders of federation subjects are recrafted by Kremlin to better achieve divide-and-conquer through diluting natives into russians (Perm krai is one such example).

The general attitude seems to be quite different from what it was in Russian Empire and USSR.

Estonians do not see any change from the strategy and tactics of the Russian Empire and the USSR. We have been closely watching what's going on there for over 11 centuries. There have been temporary relaxation periods followed by more suppression and russification. Estonians (as an opinion of ordinary people) have not been wrong on this topic, yet. Usually the relaxation periods are later labelled as a weakness period of the state (empire).

PS. Even convicted on an electric chair regularly get relaxation voltage for short periods of time

While both of those ex-states demanded minorities to abide the common law they still were allowed to freely learn and use their native languages, follow their religions and live on their own native lands without any restrictions.

There were and still are serious restrictions to use their native language, to follow their religion and to live on their native lands.

But motivation of current Russian government is quite puzzling to me in many aspects, not only in case of minorities. By the looks of it its just an organized KGB-mafia hybrid with aim for financial control over everything and everyone.

That hybrid is still searching for and implementing a grand vision of messianism through russification of natives.
Nothing has changed really.

As for the rights of minorities you are wrong. They have as many rights as ethnic Russians... which is none.

You are wrong.
Russian literature is not as restricted as the literature of natives.

And how many natives within Russia have passed the PISA or TIMSS tests in their own native language?

Any common folk in Russia regardless of their ethnic origin can fall a victim of exploits of powerful figures. Very often these powerful figures belong to minorities themselves.

That is a false flag.
In reality, russified natives become more brutal towards the people, even more so towards the non-russian natives.
Stalin was a prime example. Lenin was another. Putin as well, sort of.

Only shortsighted idiots can blame it on some chauvinistic character of Russians.

I disagree