Map showing how Latvia and Estonia stole russian land and how germans were expelled altogether.

[RussiaPrussia]

here is another map from the same german book from 70s. Here you can see how europe looked like in 1923, it shows which ethnicity dominated which region at the time but note that the movements were are since 1937. You can see how germans were massively expelled from the east. So bigger the arrows so bigger the movement of people at the bottom you can read the numbers for every arrow.

And the ethnics have each a color. At the bottom right you can see how many % of the population of west germany in each german states were expelled, red for expelled and blue for escaping. At top right you can see who lost most people in ww1 and ww2.

You can see that latvia and estonia having a lot of emigration to russia and russian immigration since 1937. Despite that you can see how east latvia and estonia were predominantly inhabited by russians, making it original russian land today.

[RussiaPrussia]

[tiger]

you can see how east latvia and estonia were predominantly inhabited by russians, making it original russian land today.

On the other hand, ethnic Lithuania was bigger than the Lithuanian state

[arcticwolf]

Dude, how about a topic that shows European cooperation and unity, eh? These topics have been beat to death many times before. Is that the best you can do? Have you ever heard the saying "if you have nothing good to say say nothing"? How is this topic gonna help the cause?

Wise up dude.

[American_Hispanist]

Karl not happy. Karl wants Russians out of Estonia!

[Pure ja]

You can see that latvia and estonia having a lot of emigration to russia and russian immigration since 1937. Despite that you can see how east latvia and estonia were predominantly inhabited by russians, making it original russian land today.

You are not making sense. And neither is your source.

Emigration from Estonia to Soviet Russia since 1937? During the height of the soviet purges of 1937-38? Is that a hitherto unknown deportation that the soviets managed to carry out in Estonia without any notice by local Estonians?

The arrows ie. "emigrations" started in ernest in 1940-41, after occupation and annexation, with the first salvo of soviet deportations.

And you can only talk about "predominantly inhabited by russians" if you talk about the areas east to the river Narva and about south-eastern Setomaa. Both areas were cut by Stalin by 1947.

[RussiaPrussia]

You are not making sense. And neither is your source.

Emigration from Estonia to Soviet Russia since 1937? During the height of the soviet purges of 1937-38? Is that a hitherto unknown deportation that the soviets managed to carry out in Estonia without any notice by local Estonians?

The arrows ie. "emigrations" started in ernest in 1940-41, after occupation and annexation, with the first salvo of soviet deportations.

And you can only talk about "predominantly inhabited by russians" if you talk about the areas east to the river Narva and about south-eastern Setomaa. Both areas were cut by Stalin by 1947.

you can clearly see it goes beyond what stalin cut

[SILNI]

After ww2 more than 12 millions Germans were expelled from east prussia and rest of north east germany and other parts of europe , where they lived for centuries before. It is the biggest forced deportation in modern history.

[Jarl]

Mass deportations from Latvia and Estonia are called "emigration"? This is some kind of a joke, right???


Also the map clearly shows Estonia and Latvia being fairly monoethnic prior to Soviet occupation. As for Poland - the Pomerania/Corridor and Netze area is almost entirely wrong. The Western fringes were German, but core was Polish all the way from Netze to the Sea. This area was not predominantly German, not even before 1920. Also Germany being monoethnic in 1937 is another factual error. Polish minority in Flatow, Butow and Stuhm has been totally omitted. Lithuanian minority in Memelland almost non existent and German islands in Masuren blown out of proportion giving an entirely wrong idea of the ethnic composition. The "Kaschuben" who consituted minority of the Poles in Pomerania have been misplaced by some good 100-150 miles to the South.

[RussiaPrussia]

Mass deportations from Latvia and Estonia are called "emigration"? This is some kind of a joke, right???


Also the map clearly shows Estonia and Latvia being fairly monoethnic prior to Soviet occupation. As for Poland - the Pomerania/Corridor and Netze area is almost entirely wrong. The Western fringes were German, but core was Polish all the way from Netze to the Sea. This area was not predominantly German, not even before 1920. Also Germany being monoethnic in 1937 is another factual error. Polish minority in Flatow, Butow and Stuhm has been totally omitted. Lithuanian minority in Memelland almost non existent and German islands in Masuren blown out of proportion giving an entirely wrong idea of the ethnic composition. The "Kaschuben" who consituted minority of the Poles in Pomerania have been misplaced by some good 100-150 miles to the South.

dude it shows that east latvia and estonia were russian, this is also from western germany its very pro german showing for example that baltic capitals were dominated by germans which is a bit questionable. So it means its more anti russian, it doesnt show for example the many russians who flet from nazis in ww2. And it probably showed too less russians in the baltics, there were probably even more teriotories.

And it never insist that deportations were emigration it just shows where the people moved, if it would be emigration they would say their deportation from eastern europe was also just emigration.