Results 1 to 8 of 8

Thread: Denmark's Kinder, Gentler System of Eugenics

  1. #1
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Last Online
    @
    Meta-Ethnicity
    .
    Ethnicity
    .
    Taxonomy
    .
    Gender
    Posts
    9,771
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 85
    Given: 0

    0 Not allowed!

    Default Denmark's Kinder, Gentler System of Eugenics

    A new pre-natal screening program in Denmark has halved the number of babies with Down's Syndrome. The success of the program, undeniably a form of eugenics, raises a number of questions about how far people should go with pre-natal screening - and what kinds of conditions merit termination of a pregnancy. Many people, including the infamous bio-ethicist Peter Singer, would argue that there's a social benefit to knowing whether you're going to have a Down's Syndrome baby. The child will need lifelong care and supervision, which could be a drain on family (and the state). Presumably, having that information early in a pregnancy will allow the parents the option to terminate it and try for a child who will grow up to live autonomously. And indeed, researchers report in this week's British Medical Journal that the testing has clearly had this effect in Denmark, where the number of babies born with Down's Syndrome went down from 55 in 2000, to 31 in 2005, after the testing program was in place.

    The Denmark program's main innovation was early, non-invasive testing for Down's Syndrome. If a pregnancy showed several symptoms of producing a Down's baby, the doctors would suggest a more invasive test that could determine beyond a doubt whether the baby would be born with the condition. Previously, the only tests available had been the invasive one and as a result fewer women opted to take the test. Even today, all Down's pre-natal testing in Denmark is opt-in for parents.

    Let's say the idea of terminating a Down's pregnancy doesn't disturb you. But what about babies who will be born with holes in their hearts, a potential for cancer, or possible schizophrenia? Where does eugenics become genetic fascism? Given that this kind of pre-natal screening is aimed at helping parents make an informed decision about whether to terminate, what conditions should parents be allowed to screen for?

    Impact of a New National Screening Policy for Down's Syndrome in Denmark [via British Medical Journal]
    Source

  2. #2
    Veteran Member Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    Groenewolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Last Online
    @
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Death
    Ethnicity
    Death
    Country
    Netherlands
    Age
    99
    Gender
    Posts
    3,347
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 27
    Given: 0

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    For it to be a form of Eugenics it should be relevant to know how many down syndrom patients get childeren themselves.

  3. #3
    Benevolent Member
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    Fortis in Arduis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Last Online
    03-17-2018 @ 02:18 PM
    Location
    Somerset
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Celto-Germanic
    Ethnicity
    English
    Ancestry
    England, Scotland, Pan-Germania and Spanish Gypsies (Gitanos)
    Country
    England
    Region
    England
    Taxonomy
    sub-nordic
    Politics
    Co-operative Economics, Direct Democracy
    Hero
    The Absolute
    Religion
    Advaita Vedānta
    Age
    36
    Gender
    Posts
    7,653
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3,469
    Given: 8,126

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    "Where does eugenics become genetic fascism?"

    I note an inappropriate use of the f-word.

  4. #4
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Last Online
    06-18-2012 @ 11:36 AM
    Location
    Wealthiest County in America
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Germanic
    Ethnicity
    German
    Ancestry
    "...ice people, Europeans, colonizers, oppressors, the cold, rigid element in world history."
    Country
    United States
    Region
    Virginia
    Taxonomy
    Nordic
    Politics
    Libertarian
    Religion
    Atheist
    Age
    30
    Gender
    Posts
    5,078
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 40
    Given: 0

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    I don't get the people opposed to this. Do they want people to be born with Down Syndrome? Doesn't get any more evil than that, in my opinion.

  5. #5
    Det Nordiske Råd™approved Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of SNPA"


    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    lei.talk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Last Online
    Today @ 04:35 AM
    Location
    near njörd eriksson
    Meta-Ethnicity
    nordish
    Ethnicity
    american
    Taxonomy
    homo sapiens nordensis
    Politics
    reality>reason>rights
    Religion
    no beliefs - knowledge
    Gender
    Posts
    4,582
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2,697
    Given: 6,795

    0 Not allowed!

    Default "Where does eugenics become genetic fascism?"

    when the "free" health-care provider
    (the government) refuses to allow the mother
    to burden the "
    free" health-care system
    with the cripple of her choice.

    *
    Last edited by lei.talk; 01-04-2018 at 06:37 PM.


  6. #6
    Benevolent Member
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    Fortis in Arduis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Last Online
    03-17-2018 @ 02:18 PM
    Location
    Somerset
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Celto-Germanic
    Ethnicity
    English
    Ancestry
    England, Scotland, Pan-Germania and Spanish Gypsies (Gitanos)
    Country
    England
    Region
    England
    Taxonomy
    sub-nordic
    Politics
    Co-operative Economics, Direct Democracy
    Hero
    The Absolute
    Religion
    Advaita Vedānta
    Age
    36
    Gender
    Posts
    7,653
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3,469
    Given: 8,126

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by SwordoftheVistula View Post
    I don't get the people opposed to this. Do they want people to be born with Down Syndrome? Doesn't get any more evil than that, in my opinion.
    Indeed buddy, in the East they believe that the soul enters the body at birth, but we are saddled with the idea that spiritual life begins at conception.

  7. #7
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Last Online
    06-18-2012 @ 11:36 AM
    Location
    Wealthiest County in America
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Germanic
    Ethnicity
    German
    Ancestry
    "...ice people, Europeans, colonizers, oppressors, the cold, rigid element in world history."
    Country
    United States
    Region
    Virginia
    Taxonomy
    Nordic
    Politics
    Libertarian
    Religion
    Atheist
    Age
    30
    Gender
    Posts
    5,078
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 40
    Given: 0

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortis_in_Arduis View Post
    Indeed buddy, in the East they believe that the soul enters the body at birth, but we are saddled with the idea that spiritual life begins at conception.
    This is a fairly new idea at that. Our birthdates are still inscribed on our tombstones, and in the 1700s it was a crime to cause the death of a fetus, but it was not considered 'murder', it was an entirely seperate crime.

  8. #8
    Just Myself Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    Skandi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Last Online
    05-22-2023 @ 02:02 PM
    Location
    a rock
    Meta-Ethnicity
    CeltoGermanic
    Ethnicity
    igneous
    Ancestry
    Lewisian gneiss
    Country
    Denmark
    Taxonomy
    Pebble
    Politics
    it's MY rock
    Religion
    Heathen
    Gender
    Posts
    2,668
    Blog Entries
    5
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 23
    Given: 1

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by lei.talk View Post
    when the "free" health-care provider
    (the government) refuses to allow the mother
    to burden the "
    free" health-care system
    with the cripple of her choice.
    Nobody is forced to abort it is just offered as a choice.

    There is nothing new in what is happening here. In earlier times the pregnancy would have gone full term, and the baby been born, but without advanced medical care it would have died young, not putting such a strain on the society into which it had been born. Of course that is natural selection so it is good, but it seems preventing the mother form having to go through all of that pain and suffering is evil.
    Cattle die, kinsmen die,
    the self must also die;
    but glory never dies,
    For the one who is able to achieve it.

    Sayings of the High One.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •