Jobbik: We stand with the brotherly people of Azerbaijan in the spirit of strong solidarity

[alfieb]

When did Fagyars ever collectively speak Turkish or belong to Islam?

Never? Oh, cool.

We were Greek-speaking Orthodox until a few hundred years ago. Most cannot tell Greeks apart from Sicilians. No fool will confuse a genetically European Fagyar for a genetically mixed Turk.

[Partizan]

When did Fagyars ever collectively speak Turkish or belong to Islam?

Never? Oh, cool.

Not the same dialect of Turkish but many parts of Hungary were Turkic speaking until 17.th century:

After centuries of fighting involving all their neighbours—the Byzantine Empire, Bulgaria, Kievan Rus, Khazaria and the Magyars—the Pechenegs were annihilated as an independent force at the Battle of Levounion by a combined Byzantine and Cuman army under Byzantine Emperor Alexios I Komnenos in 1091. Attacked again in 1094 by the Cumans, many Pechenegs were slain or absorbed. They were again defeated by the Byzantines at the Battle of Beroia in 1122, on the territory of modern day Bulgaria. For some time, significant communities of Pechenegs still remained in the Kingdom of Hungary. With time the Balkan Pechenegs lost their national identity and were fully assimilated mostly with Magyars and Bulgarians.

In 15th-century Hungary, some people adopted the surname Besenyö, which is Hungarian for Pecheneg. They were most numerous in the county of Tolna. One of the earliest introductions of Islam into Eastern Europe was through the work of an early 11th-century Muslim prisoner who was captured by the Byzantines during their war against Muslims. The Muslim prisoner was brought into the Besenyö territory of the Pechenegs where he taught and converted individuals to Islam.[8] Abu Hamid al Garnathi in the late 12th century referred to Hungarian Pechenegs who were probably Muslims living disguised as Christians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pechenegs

After settling in Kunság, the Cumans continued to practice nomadic of animal husbandry and lived in felt-covered tents. By the end of the 14th century, the Cumans had begun to settle in villages and were gradually assimilating into Hungarian ways. The wars and Ottoman invasion in the 16th century disrupted the social structure of the region, but the Cumans returned to the areas and kept some of their native social customs.

The Turkic Cuman language was still spoken at the time of the Ottoman occupation and during the Protestant Reformation but it died out in Hungary by the middle of the 17th century and its traces can only be found in placenames.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuns%C3%A1g

Plus Magyars were Uralic with significant Turkic influence since start, which you call as Turanian. Islam is irrelevant, "Muslim" Persians, "Muslim" Syrians and unfortunately also "Muslim" Palestinians supported/are supporting enemies of Turkey and Azerbaijan, so what?

P.S:I don't understand you anti-Hungarianism, like insulting them by calling them as "Fagyars" everywhere Did Magyars invade Sicily and razed there till the last stone?

[Partizan]

No fool will confuse a genetically European Fagyar for a genetically mixed Turk.

I am getting mistaken as Hungarian for many times... And this JOBBIK deputy looks quite Turanid to me:

[adsız]

Why are some europeans and slavs afraid too much of the Turan Union ?

[Partizan]

Why are some europeans and slavs afraid too much of the Turan Union ?

Even despite nobody talks about some "union", someone is afraid of Turkey and Hungarian supporting each other on political issues, don't know why...

[archangel]

its a steppe feeling

thanks to jobbik, hajra turan!!!

[Pallantides]

its a steppe feeling

thanks to jobbik, hajra turan!!!

In your case it seem more appropriate to have a desert feeling.

[OnceLord]

Well, it is also about the feeling. Magyars have it, Turanism has one century of past in Hungary. Russia might be continuity of Golden Horde in many ways but Russian identity shaped differently, so you are far away from having the Turanian soul.

It seems a comment habit for supporters of this 'Turanism' idealogy to completely misinterpret what 'Turan' even means.

Hungarians are not Turkish speakers. Hungarians are closest to central Europeans genetically. Even if we broach the topic of the Huns their past remains a historical blur and inconclusive. There is no consensus (believe me I looked) about their roots. Yet I see some Turkish sources zealously claim them as 'Turks', not out of a solid scientific reasoning, but simply because they were warrior nomads who came from central Asia and it is convenient to claim them as 'Turk'.

I admit not knowing much about the Turks but even to a layperson the amount of mental gymnastics one must carry out to link them with 'Turanism' staggers the scientific mind.

Also your point on 'Turanism being in Hungary for 100 years' is irrelevant. Just because a movement has been grounded somewhere for a while does not make it correct. Will you also argue Hitler had 'the right idea' just because anti-Semitism was a part of German society since at least the time of Luther?

[Hayalet]

"Turan" is originally an Iranian designation for southern Central Asia. In the 19th century, it became associated with all Altaic and Uralic peoples. I'm not in favor of overstating the region's importance like that. Modern Turanians would be a medium-sized subset of Turkic peoples, consisting of Turkmens and Uzbeks.

That being said, it's not surprising Hungarian nationalists feel sympathy towards Turks. If for no better reason, because both are surrounded by Indo-European groups. While Hungarians themselves are not Turks, quite a few Turkic tribes were around them during their ethnogenesis. Also, their exonym, Hungarian, is etymologically Turkic (it comes from from Onogur).

[Anglojew]

So are Hungarians now defining themselves as not racially European?