It's Time Jews Forgave (Today's) Germans For The Holocaust

**Anglojew** · 03-02-2013, 01:47 PM

It’s been almost 3 generations since WW2. In a few years no real Nazis will still be alive (good riddance). Whilst we should never forget the events of WW2 (including the Holocaust) and without downplaying the murder of two-thirds of European Jews (as well as Gypsies, German homosexuals etc) it's time Jews forgave (contemporary) Germans and thereby allow Germans to forgive themselves.

Since the war Germany has been very Pro-Israel and paid reparations. They have been a model country in terms of their behaviour and have built one of the world's great economies and more importantly democratic states. In many ways Germany is the cement that holds the EU together (not just figuratively but literally with their financial contributions to other member-states).

At least two generations of Germans have grown up rightly ashamed, but unjustly fixated, by their grandfather’s crimes and misdeeds (the majority of Germany DIDN'T vote for the Nazis it should be pointed out too, for instance the Nazis got about 44% of the vote in 1933, so not every "grandfather" was guilty). This has lead to a paradoxical situation in which Europe's greatest economy, and a culture that gave the world so much prior to National Socialism, is ashamed to be patriotic because any allusion to patriotism is seen as far-right and therefore incorrectly viewed as fascist because of the Nazi past. Why can't Germans be proud of their achievements since before and since WW2 without being accused of being Nazi's for waving a German flag at the football?

By forbidding Germans to be patriotic and celebrate their culture, and this is often subconscious in nature, we have encouraged Multiculturalism, Political Correctness and Cultural Relativism to take hold in Germany which, combined with mass immigration, has lead to a situation in which there have been cases of Germans being victimised by foreign students in GERMAN schools for being German and in which Germans are often ashamed of their nationality internationally. In other words, it is a world turned upside down. Paradoxically this situation has been terrible for Jews who bare the brunt of the "new" Judeophobia, this time emanating not from ethnic Germans -except some who resent the very things I'm pointing out here sometimes justifiably but unfairly place the blame on Jews alone- but from the Muslim minority which has been allowed to grow like a fifth column in a Germany desperate to prove its non-racist credentials, and thereby allowing this minority to not integrate culturally including holding primitive and Judeophobic views.

It is for these reasons, that I say we need to end the notion that every German is born guilty, It is time Jews forgive contemporary Germans for the Holocaust and in doing so allow Germans to forgive themselves.

**Philo** · 03-02-2013, 01:50 PM

What a stupid post. Perhaps we should hate them less (especaiily me, since you know what my views are lol) but forgive? I don't think so.

BTW I think I saw somewhere that 1 in 20 Germans is a nazi. LOL

Why can't Germans be proud of their achievements since before and since WW2 without being accused of being Nazi's for waving a German flag at the football?

What are you talkng about? they're waving their falg at football matches all the time.

**Anglojew** · 03-02-2013, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Herod the Great

What a stupid post. Perhaps we should hate them less (especaiily me, since you know what my views are lol) but forgive? I don't think so.

BTW I think I saw somewhere that 1 in 20 Germans is a nazi. LOL

What are you talkng about? they're waving their falg at football matches all the time.

What I mean is that Jews need to move on and not treat modern Germans like Nazis. Not just Jews but the Western intelligentsia. They aren't responsible for the crimes of their grandfathers.

**Philo** · 03-02-2013, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anglojew

What I mean is that Jews need to move on and not treat modern Germans like Nazis. Not just Jews but the Western intelligentsia. They aren't responsible for the crimes of their grandfathers.

yeah I agree but there's no forgiving for things like Genocide.

**Smaug** · 03-02-2013, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Herod the Great

What a stupid post. Perhaps we should hate them less (especaiily me, since you know what my views are lol) but forgive? I don't think so.

BTW I think I saw somewhere that 1 in 20 Germans is a nazi. LOL

1 in 20 is 5%, a low number, how about the other 95% good people?

**Philo** · 03-02-2013, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Uhtred

1 in 20 is 5%, a low number, how about the other 95% good people?
What are you talkng about? they're waving their falg at football matches all the time.

LOL I know math very well belive me.
Look anglojew said:

Why can't Germans be proud of their achievements since before and since WW2 without being accused of being Nazi's for waving a German flag at the football?

So I said, "I don't understand? Germans wave their flag all the time(And rightly so)"

**Smaug** · 03-02-2013, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Herod the Great

LOL I know math very well belive me.

That's not the point.

**Anglojew** · 03-02-2013, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Herod the Great

yeah I agree but there's no forgiving for things like Genocide.

I wouldn't forgive an actual Nazi but they're either dead or dying. They're history. This generation of Germans should be free of the collective guilt of the Holocaust that Germans have lived with for 70 years. They've been punished enough. It's time to move on and let Germany flourish again. This is good for Germans and good for Jews. We don't need to be linked forever by the Holocaust. We should be able to be free of associations about the Holocaust and treat each other with mutual respect.

**Heart of Oak** · 03-02-2013, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anglojew

It’s been almost 3 generations since WW2. In a few years no real Nazis will still be alive (good riddance). Whilst we should never forget the events of WW2 (including the Holocaust) and without downplaying the murder of two-thirds of European Jews (as well as Gypsies, German homosexuals etc) it's time Jews forgave Germans and thereby allow Germans to forgive themselves.

Since the war Germany has been very Pro-Israel and paid reparations. They have been a model country in terms of their behaviour and have built one of the world's great economies and more importantly democratic states. In many ways Germany is the cement that holds the EU together (not just figuratively but literally with their financial contributions to other member-states).

At least two generations of Germans have grown up rightly ashamed, but unjustly fixated, by their grandfather’s crimes and misdeeds (the majority of Germany DIDN'T vote for the Nazis it should be pointed out too, for instance the Nazis got about 44% of the vote in 1933, so not every "grandfather" was guilty). This has lead to a paradoxical situation in which Europe's greatest economy, and a culture that gave the world so much prior to National Socialism, is ashamed to be patriotic because any allusion to patriotism is seen as far-right and therefore incorrectly viewed as fascist because of the Nazi past. Why can't Germans be proud of their achievements since before and since WW2 without being accused of being Nazi's for waving a German flag at the football?

By forbidding Germans to be patriotic and celebrate their culture, and this is often subconscious in nature, we have encouraged Multiculturalism, Political Correctness and Cultural Relativism to take hold in Germany which, combined with mass immigration, has lead to a situation in which there have been cases of Germans being victimised by foreign students in GERMAN schools for being German and in which Germans are often ashamed of their nationality internationally. In other words, it is a world turned upside down. Paradoxically this situation has been terrible for Jews who bare the brunt of the "new" Judeophobia, this time emanating not from ethnic Germans -except some who resent the very things I'm pointing out here sometimes justifiably but unfairly place the blame on Jews alone- but from the Muslim minority which has been allowed to grow like a fifth column in a Germany desperate to prove its non-racist credentials, and thereby allowing this minority to not integrate culturally including holding primitive and Judeophobic views.

It is for these reasons, that I say, It is time Jews forgive Germans for the Holocaust and in doing so allow Germans to forgive themselves.

yes its time for the Germans forgiveing of the 10s of 1,000s of English POWs that staved to death in their camps:
for all Australian an English troops at Glypoly or however you spell it these days:::::::::::

**Anglojew** · 03-02-2013, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Uhtred

1 in 20 is 5%, a low number, how about the other 95% good people?
What are you talkng about? they're waving their falg at football matches all the time.

I'm just using that as a metaphor. I mean that a German soldier should be proud to wear a German uniform again. A German athlete proud to represent Germany. Germans should be allowed to be patriots. Germans shouldn't be called Nazi's for waving a flag.