Bosniaks and Bosnian Serbs

[Hurrem sultana]

"Mi trazimo Bosanstvo,oni nam nude Muslimanstvo,prihvatit cemo i to jer otvara proces"(we ask for Bosnianhood they give us Muslimhood we will accept what they give,it will open up the process-these were the words of our then politician Hamdija Pozderac

[Loki]

The first official dictionary in the Bosnian language was printed in the early 1630s, while the first dictionary in Serbian was printed only in the mid-19th century. Written evidence and records point to the Bosnian language being the official language of the country since at least the Kingdom of Bosnia, as further corroborated by the declaration of the Charter of Ban Kulin, one of the oldest written state documents in the Balkans and one of the oldest to be written in Bosančica.

[SILNI]

You can thank the Serbs and Croats for that, for suppressing Bosnian ethnic identity.

Even today there is not bosnian ethnic indentity but Bosniak one
Bosnian is regional term while bosniak is ethnic term.

[Bosnjakinja]

Loki I command you for your knowledge on this theme But you should know that the most active people on this topic will be people who are not Bosniaks.

Bosniaks were a separate people even during middle ages, they had their medieval kingdom and kings who always called themselves Bosnjanini which is an archaic term for Bosniaks.

The big majority of Bosniaks od middle age Bosnia were Catholics or members of a separate Bosnian Church that called themselves Krstjani, with a small amount of Orthodox in the Hercegovina region (Hum).

[Twistedmind]

Even before the Ottoman era there was a Bosnian church. This Bosnian church was regarded by others as heretical, which is probably why Bosnians converted to Islam easier.

I know about it. Better than anyone on this forum acctually. But Church does not makes you nationality, especialy not in XII-XIV century.
Do you know that Bosnian bans called their language and subjects Serbian and Serbs? Anyway, it is way before making of Serbian nation, which took place in XIX century, like in most of Europe.

There is nothing wrong with them being nation, no matter when formed, it is selfexpression after all. But language is same.

[SILNI]

Bosnians were unable to list themselves as Bosnians, and they were simply referred to as "Muslims" and had to accept that.

Nobody declare itself as bosnian but bosniak serb and croat
bosnian =/= bosniak
bosnian = serb croat & bosniak

understand now?

[Hurrem sultana]

Even before the Ottoman era there was a Bosnian church. This Bosnian church was regarded by others as heretical, which is probably why Bosnians converted to Islam easier.

True! and even our catholics had their bosnian identity

[SILNI]

our catholics

You wish
just keep it that way , serbs will be small puppies compared what croats will do in bosnia if you continue to insult them this way

[Twistedmind]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen...Ban.27s_edicts

да имамо и дрьжимо до конца свиета непомачно. и за то ставлю я (господинь) бань Стефань свою златѹ печать, да ѥ веровано, сваки да знаѥеть и види истинѹ. а томѹи сѹ .д̄.
повелле..а.. двие латинсци а дви срьпсцие, а све сѹ печатене златиеми печати: двие ста повелле ѹ господина бана Стефана а двие повелле ѹ Дѹбровници. а то ѥ писано подь

Translation:

to have and hold to the end of the world moveless. And for that have put I (lord) ban Stefan my golden seal, to be believed, everyone to know and see the truth. And to that are IV charters..a.. two Latin and two Serbian, and all are sealed with golden seals: two are charters in lord ban Stefan and two charters in Dubrovnik. And that is written under

[Mraz]

How closely are they related ethnically? Since Bosniaks are Muslim Slavs ... is religion the only historical distinction between the two groups?

No, ethnically, Bosniaks are a mix of different European people that converted to Islam then gathered in Bosnia with boundaries changes, Bosnia being the door of Ottoman Empire, deplaced people settled there, on the other side some Bosnian Serbs have Vlach ancestry, Ottomans settled them in Bosnia to repopulate desert areas due to plague.