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    turks in bulgaria are a mix of anatolian turks invaders , islamicized bulgarians and maybe other islamicized balkanites , tatars (especially turks in deliorman and dobrudja) , and maybe plus some other islamicized/ottomanicized ethnies like gipsy


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    Quote Originally Posted by ButlerKing View Post

    Why does Bulgarians have such high R1a and North European components like the Slavs? there genetically different from Turkey anyway who have more West Asian component. Also Turks in Turkey have from 2.5% to 18.5% Mongoloid admixtures but Bulgarians only 1-3% at maximum.
    probably proto-bulgarians wasn't very different from today volga tatars , and if you look at volga tatars they don't look very different compared to east slavic people

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    Quote Originally Posted by bimo View Post
    probably proto-bulgarians wasn't very different from today volga tatars , and if you look at volga tatars they don't look very different compared to east slavic people
    they were only the rulling class (like fe Avars ii other places), majority of population were Thracian Vlachs, Slavs and Alans/Sarmatians. You speak Slavic mostly due to Greek missionaries Cyril and Methodius. I honestly still don't get it why didn't the Byzantines try to assimilate you and other Slavs in Balkans to become and speak Vlach Romanian language. Maybe due to the Romanian/Greek prestigious feuds. Greeks shooting themselves in the foot once again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fryma View Post
    they were only the rulling class (like fe Avars ii other places), majority of population were Thracian Vlachs, Slavs and Alans/Sarmatians. You speak Slavic mostly due to Greek missionaries Cyril and Methodius. I honestly still don't get it why didn't the Byzantines try to assimilate you and other Slavs in Balkans to become and speak Vlach Romanian language. Maybe due to the Romanian/Greek prestigious feuds. Greeks shooting themselves in the foot once again.
    proto-bulgarians were absorbed from the local thraco-slavic people

    as for the proto-bulgarian they were mixed since the time they lived still in central asia where they were a mix of turkic and iranic people , when they moved to russia and crimea they absorbed a lot of east slavic people , in fact surprise of the surpirse bulgarians today tend to overlap a bit more with east slavic people while serbo-croatian tend to overlap more with west slavic people

    is not that when proto-bulgarian arrived in the balkan they were 100% turanids

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    Quote Originally Posted by bimo View Post
    proto-bulgarians were absorbed from the local thraco-slavic people

    as for the proto-bulgarian they were mixed since the time they lived still in central asia where they were a mix of turkic and iranic people , when they moved to russia and crimea they absorbed a lot of east slavic people , in fact surprise of the surpirse bulgarians today tend to overlap a bit more with east slavic people while serbo-croatian tend to overlap more with west slavic people

    is not that when proto-bulgarian arrived in the balkan they were 100% turanids
    I agree with you(same situation with the Magyars, being Turko-Iranian). So, how do you comment my bit about the Slavic language?

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    I think Proto-Bulgarians weren't much different from Thracians and even South Slavs in appearance. Turanid in them was present but rare, as it was found. Turanid was more present in Pechenegs and to lesser extent Kumans.

    As for Slavic language, it was the only language spoken by the natives at that time. Thracian and Bulgar were almost extinct, the official language was Greek, but Bulgarian rulers wanted to be more independant from the Byzantine Empire and form unions in Europe (where many Slavs lived). So a Slavic language was the most logically choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fryma View Post
    So, how do you comment my bit about the Slavic language?
    the local thraco-slavic population was probably totally slavicized and in bigger number compared to the proto-bulgarians , so the slavic language has dominated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ur mom View Post
    I think Proto-Bulgarians weren't much different from Thracians and even South Slavs in appearance. Turanid in them was present but rare, as it was found. Turanid was more present in Pechenegs and to lesser extent Kumans.
    how can they be balkan in look when they come from today tatarstan and crimea ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButlerKing View Post
    Their Turk root is like less than 1-2%.

    Why does Bulgarians have such high R1a and North European components like the Slavs? there genetically different from Turkey anyway who have more West Asian component. Also Turks in Turkey have from 2.5% to 18.5% Mongoloid admixtures but Bulgarians only 1-3% at maximum.
    Why Sakha Turks have ~88% Y-dna haplogroup N, and hence completely differing from the rest of the common Turkic peoples who have mostly haplogroup R1a and R1b? So what is really Turkic here? Neither of these! "Turk" is just a philosophical/cultural/political term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bimo View Post
    how can they be balkan in look when they come from today tatarstan and crimea ?
    Actually their motherland is unknown. What is found about them was that they were long-faced Mediterraneans (Pontids) with some northern and Central Asian influence. Thus, relatively similar to Pontid, Dinarid and Alpinid Thracians (who also had northern looking people). The only difference was the small Turanid component in Bulgars.

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