Are Bulgarian Turks really Turks

[HellLander87]

People here are totally missing the point!
The question is are the Muslims,living in Bulgaria that speak Turkish and call themselves Turks really Turk or not.
Nobody is speaking about us real Bulgarians,we are Orthodox Christians and we speak a Slavic language

If they speak Turkish and call themselves Turks they are turks.

[bimo]

Actually their motherland is unknown. What is found about them was that they were long-faced Mediterraneans (Pontids) with some northern and Central Asian influence. Thus, relatively similar to Pontid, Dinarid and Alpinid Thracians (who also had northern looking people). The only difference was the small Turanid component in Bulgars.

is unknow yes , but the theories present for the moment claim that they were from the pamir and lately moved to what today is tatarstan north caucaso and crimea , and using the logic i think they were similar to today volga tatars (volga tatars are full of pontid type)
i see soe studies where they are described as very tall poeple mostly europoid but with some mongolid influence

but of course these are just theories , i am not like the turkish pan-turanist wich post here and claim to know the old bulgars so good like they travel with a time machine and see them lol

[Jizo]

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[bimo]

Bimo who is the hot chick on ur signiture?

i don't know but i love this chick

[Trun]

and using the logic i think they were similar to today volga tatars (volga tatars are full of pontid type)

Haha, you probably have watched too many videos about modern Danube and Volga Bulgarians similarities Volga Tatars have some Pontids, but nowhere near Bulgarians' level. A lot of them aren't much different from Russians, many are strongly Uralid or Turanid influenced and look almost Mongoloid. It's because Volga Tatars aren't only Bulgars' descendants but also Kumano-Kipchaks, local Uralic tribes and to a lesser extent, some Slavs in recent times.

Here is a Volga Tatar metal group. Do they look like Bulgarians? Not really.

[bimo]

Haha, you probably have watched too many videos about modern Danube and Volga Bulgarians similarities Volga Tatars have some Pontids, but nowhere near Bulgarians' level. A lot of them aren't much different from Russians, many are strongly Uralid or Turanid influenced and look almost Mongoloid. It's because Volga Tatars aren't only Bulgars' descendants but also Kumano-Kipchaks, local Uralic tribes and to a lesser extent, some Slavs in recent times.

Here is a Volga Tatar metal group. Do they look like Bulgarians? Not really.

of course they don't look like today bulgarians , and i mean old proto-bulgars , anyway i see a lot of images of volga tatar and they look much more europoid than mongolid , is this band volga tatar or some other type of tatars ?

[Trun]

of course they don't look like today bulgarians , and i mean old proto-bulgars , anyway i see a lot of images of volga tatar and they look much more europoid than mongolid , is this band volga tatar or some other type of tatars ?

They are Volga Tatars, moreover they consider themselves Bulgarians and even wanted to represent us in Eurovision some years ago.

[Mehmet]

Yes they are. As much as Anatolicus Turks.
Most Turkish Bulgarians show Turanid vibes (even if very low in most cases).

In fact we can discuss whether ethnic Bulgarians are closer to West Turk groups or to... Russians or Poles (true Slavics).

Bulgarians have the wrong habit to claim anything Turk.
In fact Christian Turks.

In fact Bulgarians consider as their God-given right to assimilate any (Orthodox) Christian Turk group; especially if the group have the least Slav admixture.
Gagauzes are first.
Chuvashes are the second target.

[Trun]

Gagauzes are first.
Chuvashes are the second target.

No sane Bulgarian thinks Chuvashes are Bulgarians. Gagauz are different story, simply because majority of them consider themselves Bulgarians, and they are genetically the most similar group to Bulgarians (if we exclude Macedonians).

[bimo]

Yes they are. As much as Anatolicus Turks.
Most Turkish Bulgarians show Turanid vibes (even if very low in most cases).

In fact we can discuss whether ethnic Bulgarians are closer to West Turk groups or to... Russians or Poles (true Slavics).

Bulgarians have the wrong habit to claim anything Turk.
In fact Christian Turks.

In fact Bulgarians consider as their God-given right to assimilate any (Orthodox) Christian Turk group; especially if the group have the least Slav admixture.
Gagauzes are first.
Chuvashes are the second target.

dude you turks are the most pathetic people when you talk about history , you guys think every turkic people is turks , so shut up please