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    The modern Russian taxonomy basically started with N. N. Cheboksary. His most considerable follower was M.G. Levin: Я. Я. Рогинский, М.Г Левин.: Антропология, 1978. The later Russian authors developed this only.

    russian RU russian EN western EN western terms hungarian HUN
    ЭКВАТОРИАЛЬНАЯ EQATORIAL - NEGROID, PYGMID, AUSTRALOID -
    австралийская australian australoid australoid ausztralid
    веддоидная veddoid veddoid veddoid veddid
    меланезийска melanesian melanesid melanesid melanezid
    негрская negro negroid bantuid, nilotid, sudanid negrid
    негрилльская negrid negrito negrito pygmid
    бушменская busman capoid capoid khoisanid
    эфиопская ethiopian ethiopid ethiopid etiopid
    южноиндийская southindian - - indomelanid
    ЕВРАЗИЙСКАЯ EURASIAN - EUROPID, EUROPO-MONGOLOID -
    атланто-балтийская atlanto-baltic - celtic nordic, nordic, tronder, hallstatt -
    среднеевропейская centraleuropean - cromagnoid, westbaltid, baltid, alpinid -
    индо-средиземноморская indo-mediterranean mediterranoid atlanto-med, orientalid, caspian, iranid, indid mediterranid
    беломорско-балтийская whitesea-baltic - eastbaltid, ladogan, neodanubian -
    балкано-кавказская balkano-caucasian - dinarid, armenoid, pontid, pamirid sötét színkomplexiójú rövidfejűek
    южносибирская southsiberian turanid turanid turanid
    уральская uralian uralid uralid uralid
    АЗИАТСКО-АМЕРИКАНСКАЯ ASIAN-AMERICAN - MONGOLOID, AMERIND -
    североазиатская northasian tungid tungid belső ázsiai mongolid
    арктическая arctic eskimoid eskimoid eszkimid
    дальневосточная eastasian sinid sinid szinid
    южноазиатская southasian southeast asian southern mongoloid dél-mongolid
    американская american amerind amerind amerikanid
    полинезийская polinesian polinesid polinesid polinezid
    курильская kurilian ainuid ainuid ainuid








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    V.P. Alekseyev (Валерий Павлович Алексеев) was the most considerable Soviet anthropologist. His books is the fundamental literature and curriculum in many Eurasian country, between them in Hungary. His taxonomy is the development of the earlier Soviet system:



    I am lazy to do a table, but there is the Russian text too:

    АМЕРО-АЗИАТСКАЯ
    I АМЕРИКАНОИДНАЯ

    1 североамериканская
    1a тихоокеанская
    1b атлантическая
    2 центрально-южноамериканская
    2a калифорнийская
    2b центральноамериканская
    2c андская
    2d амазонская
    2e патагонская
    2f огнеземельная

    II АЗИАТСКАЯ
    3 южномонгольская
    3a островная
    3b материковая
    4 восточномонгольская
    4a дальневосточная
    4b амуро-сахалинская
    5 арктическая
    5a материковая
    5b островная
    6 тибетская
    7 североазиатская
    7a центральноазиатская
    7b байкальская
    8 южносибирская
    8a алтае-саянская
    8b притяньшанская
    8c казахстанская
    9 уральская
    9a западносибирская
    9b субуральская

    ЕВРО-АФРИКАНСКИЙ
    III ЕВРОПЕОИДНАЯ

    10 балтийская или североевропейская
    10a западнобалтийская
    10b восточнобалтийская
    10c лапоноидная
    11 центральноевропейская
    11a центрально-восточноевропейская
    11b западноевропейская
    12 средиземноморская
    12a западносредиземноморская
    12b балкано-кавказская
    12c аравийско-африканская
    12d переднеазиатская
    12e индо-афганская

    IV НЕГРОИДНАЯ
    13 южноиндийская
    14 эфиопская локальная
    15 негрская
    15a суданская
    15b восточноафриканская
    16 центральноафриканская
    17 южноафриканская

    V АВСТРАЛОИДНАЯ
    18 андаманская
    19 негритосская материковая
    20 негритосская филиппинская
    21 австралийская
    22 меланезийская
    23 тасманийская
    24 полинезийская
    25 айнская ( курильская)

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    Wink after reading this statement:

    Horatio Baker was probably better than Coon, and more recent. He also used the Taxonomy of von Eickstedt.

    my son realised this was an opportunity
    to illustrate to the girl-child
    why western civilisation had achieved unprecedented heights
    in a briefer time-span
    than any other culture in recorded history -

    the courteous participation in the great conversation

    and the respect-full acknowledgement of one predecessors.
    lacking their accumulated wisdom,
    each generation would make the same ignorant errors ad infinitum
    and stagnate as all previous cultures.

    in the outline below,
    the author has carefully cited each influence.

    john r. baker's schema from Race



    while the author's system of huxleyian genogroups
    is limited to sub-species
    and - consequently - lacks the extreme refinement
    of egon freiherr von eickstedt's series/varieties/sub-varieties,

    the breadth and depth of distinguishing detail for each race
    and the superb analysis offered in his book
    is unrivaled

    (one of his sub-species
    has a bone unique to that race ).

    chapter twenty-seven, obviously, was a strong influence
    on arthur kemp - author of march of the titans.
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    Default in response to your question regarding "The Polish School of Typology"

    yes - it is comparable to the western canon.
    whether it exceeds the russian school remains to be seen:
    a lack of evidence on this thread
    should not be considered evidence of absence
    in reality
    .

    they did set the highest standards for data-analysis.

    anthropology classes at ucsd,
    still, review the lengthy journal-debates
    in which stanislaw klimek and alfred kroeber
    presented significantly differing results
    of the same data as produced by various analysis-mechanisms.

    of course, these were debates of the margids
    and the university is in california - so...

    here is your outline with some added clarifications, anders,
    and yes - the girl-child's nineth birth-day was months ago

    and no - this thread-title is not misleading.


    • Black Race
    • Black transitional to White
      • "Mediterranoid" Indic: related to Mediterranean
      • "Meridinal" East-African: related to Oriental - perhaps a mixture with Sudan Negro
      • B Berberian (Berberic Wiercinski, Aethiopid Baker, shows a wide spectrum of White-Black traits, similar to "Mediterranoid" Czekanowaski (White-Transitional to Black Kroeber)
        Typical Features: crude facial traits, small cranium, broad and prominent cheekbones, slight maxillary incisure
        Height: < 169 cm.
        Skin Color: light brown - dark swarthy
        Eye Color: 1 - 5
        Hair Color: W - Y
        Hair Form: straight, wavy, frizzy
        Cephalic Index: < 76
        Eyelid Form: eyelid-fold
        Orbital Index: 76 - 86
        Facial Index: < 83
        Profile: meso - prognathous
        Nasal Index: 70 - 94
        Nose Shape: diverse, nearlt straight
        Excluding Features: wooly hair, very dark skin, flattened nose, extreme prognathism, everted lips
        • BL Berberian + Lappanoid = Berberoid
        • BZ Berberian + Pacific = Subhimalayan
        • BQ Berberian + Highland = Pseudo-Hamitic
        • BQ Berberian + Highland = Berberic-Highland
        • BE Berberian + Mediterranean = Hamitic
        • BH Berberian + Armenoid = Levantinian
        • BK Berberian + Oriental = Kushitic
        • BN Berberian + Negroidal = Berberic-Bushmanoid

    • White Race
      • Y Cromagnonoid (Paleoeuropid Czekanowaski)
        Typical Features: very large cranium with strong relief, small orbits of rectangular or ellipsoid form, crude facial traits
        Height: 165 cm. >
        Skin Color: reddish - light flaxen
        Eye Color: 8 - 16
        Hair Color: A - Q and reddish
        Hair Form: straight - wavy
        Cephalic Index: < 77
        Eyelid Form: eyelid-fold, medium Hottentot
        Orbital Index: 82 >
        Facial Index: 84 >
        Profile: ortho - mesognathous
        Nasal Index: 70 >
        Nose Shape: diverse
        Excluding Features: flattened nose, mongoloid fold, prognathism, lack of canine fossa, shallow maxillary incisure, flaxen skin, greenish eyes
        • YE Cromagnonoid + Mediterranean = Atlantic
          • Ye - light-pigmented cromagnonoid fraction
          • ye -
          • yE - dark-pigmented dolichocephalic fraction
        • YH Cromagnonoid + Armenoid = Pseudo-Alpine
          • Yh - cromagnonoid-like fraction with broad face (cephalic index 80-82) darker hair and eyes
          • yh - brachycephalic fraction with broad face
          • yH - armenoid fraction
        • YL Cromagnonoid + Lappanoid = Baltic
          • Yl - light-pigmented cromagnonoid fraction
          • yl -
          • yL - darker lapponoid fraction
        • YQ Cromagnonoid + Highland = Pseudo-Cromagnonoid
        • YZ Cromagnonoid + Pacific = Usunian
        • YB Cromagnonoid + Berberian = Riffean
        • YK Cromagnonoid + Oriental = Rephaitic
      • K Oriental: east and south of the Medterranean Sea
        Typical Features: high parietal, prominent occiput, small bizygomatic breadth, sharp facial traits, high mandible, thick lips, extensive body-hair
        Height: 170 cm. >
        Skin Color: swarthy and light brown
        Eye Color: 1 - 5
        Hair Color: U - Y
        Hair Form: straight - frizzy
        Cephalic Index: < 76
        Eyelid Form:slight or semitic eyelid-fold
        Orbital Index: 85 >
        Facial Index: 90 >
        Profile: ortho - mesognathous
        Nasal Index: < 65
        Nose Shape: convex - hump-backed
        Excluding Features: flattened nose, mongolic fold, wooly hair, panniculus malaris , prognathism
        • KH Oriental + Armenoid = Subarmenoid Czortkower
        • KL Oriental + Lappanoid = Western-Asiatic
        • KM Oriental + Mongoloid = Kipchakian
        • KQ Oriental + Highland = Caspian (unrelated to Caspian [Proto-Nordic] Dixon)
        • KZ Oriental + Pacific = Aralian
        • KN Oriental + Negroidal = Khoinian
        • KS Oriental + Nigritian = Meridional
        • KX Oriental + Austro-African = Pseudo-Meridional
      • E Mediterranean: north and west of the Mediterranean Sea
        Typical Features: small cranium, vertical norm is ellipsoid, well-profiled face, high nasal root, frequently receding mental prominence
        Height: < 164 cm.
        Skin Color: light blond - dark swarthy
        Eye Color: 1 - 6
        Hair Color: T - Y
        Hair Form: straight - wavy
        Cephalic Index: < 79
        Eyelid Form: slight eyelid-fold
        Orbital Index: < 79
        Facial Index: 84 >
        Profile: orthognathous
        Nasal Index: < 69
        Nose Shape: divers, nearly straight
        Excluding Features: white skin, tall stature, heavy facial build, concave nose, low nasal root, mongolic fold, prominent cheekbones, meso - prognathism
        • EH Mediterranean + Armenoid = Littoral (Large Mediterranean Coon - Atlanto-Mediterranean Deniker)
          • Eh - mediterranean fraction with a cephalic index < 80
          • eh - medium-faced
          • eH - broad-faced armenoid fraction
        • EK Mediterranean + Oriental = Suboriental
        • EL Mediterranean + Lappanoid = Sublapponoid formerly "Pre-Slavonic" (Russians similar to "North Asiatic")
          • El - narrow-nosed mediterranean fraction
          • el - moderately broad-nosed and -faced
          • eL - broad-faced with moderately broad-nose
        • EM Mediterranean + Mongoloid = Submongoloid
        • EQ Mediterranean + Highland = South-Eastern
          • Eq - mediterranean fraction with mongolian-fold
          • eq -
          • eQ - dolichocephalic fraction
        • EZ Mediterranean + Pacific = Ladinian
        • EN Mediterranean + Negroidal = Euro-Negroid
        • EO Mediterranean + Pygmic = Mediterranean-Pygmic
        • ES Mediterranean + Nigritian = Ethiopian
        • EX Mediterranean + Austro-African = Eritrean
      • H Armenoid
        Typical Features: high cranial vault, frequently flattened occiput, spheroid cranial contour, low mandible, extensive body hair
        Height: varies
        Skin Color: swarthy or flaxen, rarely white
        Eye Color: 1 - 7
        Hair Color: U - Y
        Hair Form: straight, wavy, frizzy
        Cephalic Index: 84 >
        Eyelid Form: slight eyelid-fold, very often semitic
        Orbital Index: 84 >
        Facial Index: varies around 86
        Profile: hyperortho - orthognathous
        Nasal Index: < 64
        Nose Shape: convex - hump-backed
        Excluding Features: marked eyelid-fold, flattened nose, mesognathous, shallow maxillary incisure
        • HL Armenoid + Lappanoid = Alpine (DinaricCoon)
          • Hl - armenoid fraction with non-lapponoid face and nose
          • hl - lapponoid faces with non-lapponoid noses
          • hL - lapponoid fraction with lapponoid noses
        • HM Armenoid + Mongoloid = Turanian
        • HQ Armenoid + Highland = Pseudo-Littoral
          • Hq - armenoid fraction with broad non-highland face
          • hq - armenoid nasal index with moderately narrow face
          • hQ - highland fraction with non-armenoid nose
        • HZ Armenoid + Pacific = Anatolian
        • HN Armenoid + Negroidal = Armenoid-Negroid
        • HS Armenoid + Nigritian = Aswanese
        • HX Armenoid + Austro-African = Dongolan
      • A Nordic
        Typical Features: large cranium, rather full lips, deep canine fossa, and maxillary incisure, antropine form, well-developed nasal spine
        Height: 165cm. >
        Skin Color: reddish - light flaxen
        Eye Color: 8 - 16
        Hair Color: A - Q
        Hair Form: straight - wavey
        Cephalic Index: < 82
        Eyelid Form: eyelid-fold, slight Hottentot
        Orbital Index: 82 >
        Facial Index: 84 >
        Profile: orthognathous
        Nasal Index: < 65
        Nose Shape: not concave, not wavey concave
        Excluding Features: high parietal, flattened nose, mongolic fold, eyelid-fold very strong, prominent cheek-bones, prognathism, shallow canine fossa or maxillary incisure, dark flaxen skin, frizzy hair
        • AE Nordic + Mediterranean = Northwestern (Irish)
          • Ae - nordoidal fraction with light pigmentation
          • ae -
          • aE - dark mediterranean fraction
        • AH Nordic + Armenoid = Dinaric (AlpineCoon)
          • Ah - nordoidal fraction with light eyes (6 - 8) and dark hair (R - S)
          • ah -
          • aH - dark broad-faced armenoid fraction
        • AK Nordic + Oriental = Amoritic
        • AL Nordic + Lappanoid = Sub-Nordic (geographycally Eastern Baltic)
          • Al - nordoid fraction with nordic faces and non-lapponoid noses
          • al - lapponoid faces with non-lapponoid noses
          • aL - subnordics with lapponoid nose
        • AQ Nordic + Highland = Chukhonic
          • Aq - light-pigmented nordoid fraction
          • aq -
          • aQ - dark-pigmented highland fraction
        • AY Nordic + Cromagnonoid = Teutonic
          • Ay - nordoidal fraction with broad face lacking cromagnonoid skull indice
          • ay - narrow or concave nose
          • aY - cromagnonoid skull indice
        • AZ Nordic + Pacific = Eurasiatic
        • AB Nordic + Berberian = Aegean
        • AN Nordic + Negroidal = Rehobot Fischer
        • AO Nordic + Pygmic = Nordic-Pygmic
        • AS Nordic + Nigritian = Nordic-Sudanese
        • AX Nordic + Austro-African = Nordic-Equatorial



    * lophocephaly Sergi = a gabled/scaphoid elevation of the sagittal
    panniculus malaris = bi-lateral deposit of fat stretching from each cheek-bone to nasal spine (flattening the face)

    contrary to inter-webs popular opinion
    physical anthropology continues to be taught in universities
    and the techniques of measurement/analysis remain in use
    to determine species/race/sex.

    as one absent, but, astute apricienne bluntly stated:



    I don't know how you can claim they were "wrong".
    Their classifications were based on scientific measurements
    and observations that all physical anthropologists agreed with,
    they all used the same criteria.
    And since there's no data that challenges their findings,
    there's absolutely no justification for your claims.
    None at all.
    *
    Last edited by lei.talk; 12-09-2020 at 01:38 AM. Reason: anders wished to illustrate the extremely detailed distinctions drawn by "The Polish School of Typology"


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    Very commendable.

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    Brilliant.
    Spoiler!

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    The 50/50 blends are rare.
    50/50 very often and usually,regular blends.

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    eek for the first time?

    my son and the girl-child
    were discussing that - while similar - a jaguar
    would not survive in the habitat of the snow leopard

    because of their differences

    and the borneo elephant would not survive
    on the veldt with the african elephant.

    none of the four
    thrive in the artificial environment
    created by modern humans: a zoo.

    the many varieties of animals
    thrive only in the environment of their evolution

    and struggle if placed in a different one
    or an artificial habitat.

    as my son and the girl-child
    discussed this principle in relation to humans,

    my son mentioned a bit of trivia: before physical anthropology
    became a science, the study of man
    struggled through a morass of philology and ethnology
    (actually studies of man's doings and where and when)
    constrained by the time-line of the biblical creation-myth.

    in that ever-shifting conceptual swamp, one man
    grasped solidity and distinguished the races by methods anthropométrique:


    Genre Humaine
    I. Espčce - Angle facial de 85 - 90 degrés
    1. Race blanche
    Arabe-Indienne
    Celtique, Caucasienne
    2. Race basanée
    Chinoise
    Kalmouk, Mongole
    Lapone, Astraque
    3. Race cuivreuse
    Americaine ou Caribe

    II. Espčce - Angle facial de 75 - 82 degrés
    4. Race brun foncée
    Malaie ou Indienne
    5. Race noire
    Cafres
    Nčgres
    6. Race noirâtre
    Hottentots
    Papous


    and - now - a confession:

    yes, anders - czekanowski's colour-full grids
    from the lwów school of polish typology

    were not included in the above-post,

    neither were the circles/hexagons/squares/triangles
    from kazimierz stołyhwo's kraków school.

    if the lwów school had fulfilled czekanowski's dream
    of producing a table - just like the chemical elements -
    for the attributes of physical anthropology,

    those grids would be use-full, but, they did not.

    ironically,
    that is exactly how the girl-child sorts her type-cards:

    she lays them out on the floor by graduated properties
    which produces groups/periods/blocks/categories
    and demonstrates patterns of trends (boasian clines?):


    suggesting to her that human varieties
    are as distinct as breeds of dogs
    and the multitude of deviations exist
    for the same reason:

    a lack of conscious breeding

    (with time even the most errant electron
    settles in to an appropriate shell).

    instead the lwów school's use of
    Durchschnittliche Differenz, Ähnlichkeitsmethode,
    "
    Coefficient of Racial Likeness" and "law of the anthropological arithmetic mean"
    to produce those boxes and grids
    began to resemble a numerological perambulation toward an a priori "
    Idealtypus".

    stołyhwo produced what? an amusing foot-note?

    after examining the page-numbers
    of the material that you scanned and e-mailed to me,

    with a little more effort
    you will have scanned all of the pages
    and can up-load them to the internet archive.

    after which - i will embed the url-links of each page
    that applies to each racial type.

    remember our bafflement by
    the francophone that repeatedly requested my chaperonage
    in to the by-invitation-only nordicist forum
    hidden away in the dark side of freenet - yet,

    ignored my suggestion to earn his invitation
    with a contribution to "
    the cause": http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post1771909

    which was included in every one of my replies to him?

    lacking any on-line history of "
    good works",
    he lacked the bona fides that might educe an invitation.

    or the swedish reader that persistently petitioned me
    to point out the pictorial portals at wikipedia
    through which one might persuade passage
    in to das glasperlenspiel
    and begin an apprenticeship as ein ~speiler,

    but, flatly refused to translate
    http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolf_Nordenstreng

    and create an english-language version?

    some one that lazy
    is too lazy to exercise even more stringent security protocols
    than mon sieur ulbricht
    - who publically taunted the panopticonic leviathan
    (an easily frightened beast) and reaped the whirlwind.

    ours has been a reciprocally beneficial relationship
    of mutual satisfaction. my desire is for it to continue.

    while there is no right or wrong answer to this question:


    Do you believe that information should be free?

    my choice is known:


    even that extreme nordicist
    (who insists on posting in old norse)
    acknowledges that exclusivity will not expand knowledge of the races.

    my hope is
    your choice will be to scan the remaining pages
    and click-on this button -







    posts of schemata
    substantiated by url-links are welcomed.
    *
    Last edited by lei.talk; 02-17-2022 at 10:43 PM.


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    Excellent post, lei. All I know is about Amerids is that Ona/Patagonid women are hot.

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    this is complicated!!!

    classify me in my thread

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