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    Why do the Flemish want to become independent?

    Belgium is an artificial state that forces three different nations to live together: the Flemish (i.e. the Southern Dutchmen), the Walloons (a French-speaking people that has never really belonged to France) and some Germans (whose land was annexed by Belgium after the First World War). Unlike in Switzerland, these nations didn't choose to live together, they were forced to. As a result, they lack a national feeling. Belgium's founding fathers designed their construction to be France's satellite state, and they explicitly stated: "La Belgique sera latine ou elle ne sera pas" ("Belgium will be Latin or it will not be"). Although the majority of Belgians speaks Dutch (or Dutch dialects, a.k.a. "Flemish"), the only official language was French. This was part of an imperialist francophone strategy designed to wipe out Flemish culture and replace it with a "Belgian" one. Evidently the Flemish resisted to these attempts, and many generations spent their lives trying to improve the situation of the Flemish, who were regarded by the Belgian state as some kind of inferior lifeform (the Francophones arrogantly assumed, and some of them still do, they were members of Europe's highest civilisation). The Flemish have always had to fight and pay high prices to get their rights recognised by a state that despises them.

    Today Belgium is no longer a unitary but a semi-federal state. Dutch has been recognised as an official language and the country is divided in 3 Communities (Flemish, French and German-speaking) and 3 Regions (Flanders, Brussels and Wallonia). The Regions have some powers, others still belong to the "federal state" (Belgium as a whole), which often leads to absurd situations. Both Communities and Regions have their own Parliaments and Governments (only Flanders decided to merge them). Since there is no hierarchy between the different Parliaments and Governments, issues that have to be decided on by both the Federal Government and one or more Regional Governments often result in a deadlock if the Governments don't share the same point of view or, even worse, if they have to defend opposite interests. In Belgium the major fault line is the language barrier. Flanders and Wallonia (or francophone Belgium as a whole) disagree on most issues and have to come up with unsatisfactory compromises no one is really happy with. If they can't get their disputes resolved, the issue is usually blocked until Flanders gives in to the francophone blackmailing. The francophones never give in because they have a very egoistic policy of getting what they want, even if they have to paralyse the country for it and waste other people's time and money.

    Belgium's critics have described the country as a "contra-federation" (because the Communities work against each other in stead of working together), or as "Absurdistan" (in this country everything seems to be possible, especially if it is something absurd, like in Franz Kafka's books). The critics are right. Belgium has become an extremely inefficient labyrinth, in which the only productive part is Flanders. It is Flanders that generates all of the wealth and accounts for 80% of the export. This is because the Flemish are by nature an industrious, freedom-loving nation, in opposition to the inproductive, socialist-minded Walloons. All of this inefficiency could be resolved in an easy way - by splitting Belgium in half. If only it were as easy as it sounds.



    What is keeping Flanders from becoming an independent country?

    Flanders is being robbed by Belgium. Being the most succesfull part of Belgium, it has to give in a considerable amount of its wealth to the Walloons, whose industry has collapsed because it was outdated and the Walloons did nothing about it. Each year € 11 billion is transferred from Flanders to francophone Belgium. That's a huge pile of money. Yet the Flemish politicians don't succeed in getting their demands realised, because everytime Flanders asks something from Belgium, the francophone politicians unanimously say "no". It doesn't work the other way around, however. That's because the Flemish are no bullies and they are not united enough. They simply lack the courage to say no to francophone demands. It's really ironic that in a country where one part represents 60 percent of the population and keeps the other part alive at the cost of its own economy, that one part still has nothing to say.

    A majority of Flemings is not really aware of the need for their country to become independent. Those people are either not interested in politics or history, or they have been misinformed. Of course the Belgian state does everything within its power to falsify the schools' historybooks. Thanks to this deliberate negationism most kids don't have a clue about the many disciminations their ancestors have gone through, and they don't know that their country is being dominated by strangers. Fortunately the Flemish public opinion is slowly changing in favor of the secessionist movement. Back in the Sixties one was considered a revolutionary if he carefully mentioned federalism; nowadays speaking about Flemish independence has become very normal. Even most Flemish political parties (except for the socialists and the "greens") have embraced the idea of confederalism (semi-independence). Flanders' biggest party, Vlaams Belang (Flemish Interest), openly promotes secession. The problem is that this party is being boycotted by all other parties, and the other politicians don't have what it takes to proclaim the independence of Flanders. They are afraid of it, and most of them have been corrupted by the Belgian system.

    Flanders will be an independent state, it's only a matter of time. There is no stopping the Belgian desintegration. If the Belgian establishment plays its cards right, it will probably be able to slow down the process, but Flemish independence is inevitable. When it will happen, nobody knows, but the Belgian state can be reasonably expected not to survive another decade. Of course some people are afraid of this, and it's perfectly normal to be afraid of change, but it will be a change for the better.

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    http://www.vvb.org
    http://www.n-va.be
    http://www.vlaamsbelang.org
    http://www.meervoud.org
    http://www.flemishrepublic.org (English)

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    Flanders is being robbed by Belgium. Being the most succesfull part of Belgium, it has to give in a considerable amount of its wealth to the Walloons,
    The Flemish have always had to fight and pay high prices to get their rights recognised by a state that despises them.
    Familiar story to me, being Scots. I do hope Flanders gains independance.

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    They should be independent, but I dont think its going happend overnight.

    The situation looks simple, but dont over estimated the power of Francophones and the Flemish upper-class.
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    Being a French Canadian outside of Québec (btw for the record, my own family has been Ontarian for these past 5 generations) I still have a very soft spot for our own country's cultural and political differences here in Canada, Loyalist. My own Canadian cultural birthplace will always be Québec. To this end, I see oodles of parallels between the Flemings' plight for independence as well as that of the Québécois'. Most Anglophones outside of Québec have a very difficult time understanding the whole notion of Québec being a distinct society. It seems that our Fleming brothers and sisters are in a very similar boat, only now the cultural and linguistic powers are reversed. In the end, I'm all for true cultural-linguistic groups, an ethnic group if you will, to have their own independence. But such things need a lot of dedication, courage and will.

    Only time will tell as to the success of their striving for independence for either of these two groups I'm afraid.

    Great write-up Loyalist! up

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    Flanders should be independent, they can afford to be. As the Flemish and Walloons are hostile to each other to begin with, despite the fact that Belgium funnels Flemish money to Wallonia, perhaps the Duchy of Flanders should be revived.Unlike Oresai and Aemma, I am not part of a historical/cultural minority in my homeland( as I consider that homeland to be Virginia first, the American South second and the United States of America third), but I do sympathize with an industrial people seeing the fruits of their labor going to those who remain hostile to them. I hope that the Flemish people enjoy better times for themselves soon.

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    Even if Flanders breaks away, there will still be a lot of Muslims to remove, among Negroes, Jews and others. Essentially Flemish independence is just the beginning of the end of it's demographic problems. And even with the non-whites expelled (which will happen, just not overnight) there will still be those bleeding heart, the multi-culti, Liberals. But I wish Flanders the best of luck for it's independence. As Gooding said, they surely can afford it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfichka View Post
    Even if Flanders breaks away, there will still be a lot of Muslims to remove, among Negroes, Jews and others. Essentially Flemish independence is just the beginning of the end of it's demographic problems. And even with the non-whites expelled (which will happen, just not overnight) there will still be those bleeding heart, the multi-culti, Liberals. But I wish Flanders the best of luck for it's independence. As Gooding said, they surely can afford it.
    I think it would be a lot easier:

    According to this, in the Belgian Parliament, the Flemish parties are:

    Vlaams Belang and Dedecker List (closest ally of VB): 22 seats
    Center Right: 30
    Center Left: 18
    Green: 5

    Compared to the Wallonian side, split between the center left and open socialists, with a solitary National Front member

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordoftheVistula View Post
    I think it would be a lot easier:

    According to this, in the Belgian Parliament, the Flemish parties are:

    Vlaams Belang and Dedecker List (closest ally of VB): 22 seats
    Center Right: 30
    Center Left: 18
    Green: 5

    Compared to the Wallonian side, split between the center left and open socialists, with a solitary National Front member
    At least there's a strong presence of the Right in Flanders, Center-Right and Far-Right combined, there's 52 of the 75 seats.

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    I really appreciate the thread. I have supported Flemish independence for as long as I've been politically aware. Some things of note though.

    Dutch has been recognised as an official language and the country is divided in 3 Communities (Flemish, French and German-speaking) and 3 Regions (Flanders, Brussels and Wallonia)
    Minor detail: German is also an official language. But I don't hold it against anyone if they forget it. It's so rarely used outside the tiny region the German population inhabit, that even we Belgians sometimes forget to mention it.

    Vlaams Belang and Dedecker List (closest ally of VB): 22 seats
    Center Right: 30
    Center Left: 18
    Green: 5
    I don't entirely agree with how you've divided the parties here.

    The seats of the catholic party for example I wouldn't count as centre right. Traditionally the catholic party in this country has always been in a spread eagle position between left and right, with a major part of the party coming from the (left-wing) labour unions.

    Also, I wouldn't say LDD is really an ally of VB. There are three parties that openly support Flemish independence. N-VA, LDD and VB.

    N-VA are conservative centre right nationalists. The spearhead of their party programme is Flemish independence, but apart from that they also support traditional values and personal responsability. They don't have any seats in the Belgian parliament (since they were merged with the catholic party until december 2008), but in the latest Flemish parliament elections they were the biggest winners.

    LDD are pretty much a personality cult. The entire party is built up around one single person. Their programme is mostly right-wing libertarian, but their members come from all political sides, so if that one person on top falls away the party will just devolve into anarchy. Most of their electorate comes from people who vote against the establishment and not from convinced right-wing voters. Also, their slogan was 'With Belgium if possible, without Belgium if necessary.' So they aren't ideological nationalists, but purely opportunistic nationalists in my opinion.

    Vlaams Belang is an extreme right nationalist party. Together with N-VA they come from the remnants of the VU, the People's Union, which was a Flemish party that was at it's biggest in the late 60s, early 70s. Most of their leaders have a history in neo-nazism, such as Filip Dewinter. And the spearpoints of their programme are zero tolerance on crime and no to immigration.

    Personally I voted VB for years, but now that N-VA is an independent party again, I have voted for them in the latest (Flemish & European) elections last week. I am also considering becoming a card carrying member, but I haven't made my decision yet. I believe N-VA is in the best position to force the issue of Flemish independence onto the table currently.

    However, I agree with E. that of course, Flemish independence will not make our problems magically disappear. I'm very likely to vote again for the VB in the future, but only AFTER Flanders has become independent (or in case the N-VA does anything to betray my trust).

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    The question is: what would the Flemish think about reunification with the Northern Netherlands (provided of course that the balance of power shifts in favor of the South) ?



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