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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawspeaker View Post
    The question is: what would the Flemish think about reunification with the Northern Netherlands (provided of course that the balance of power shifts in favor of the South) ?
    Currently, the majority of Flemings do not support a reunification with the Netherlands. The old generation (my grandparents etc) usually don't support it because they're still devout catholics and would hate to be one with a protestant nation.

    The newer generation, well. Let's just say the Belgian propaganda has been doing its work for 180 years now. If I look at most of my friends, they dislike our Dutch brothers to the same extent as they dislike the French-speaking Belgians. They constantly focus on our differences, and refuse to see our commonalities.

    Personally, I would love to be reunited with the Northern Netherlands, on the condition that we are treated as equals, and not as subservients or as run-away sons or similar terms I've seen used on Dutch forums, usually meant derogatory and/or paternalistic.

    If a reunification turns out impossible, I'd still prefer that we work very closely together.

    edit to add: There is also only ONE far-right organisation I can think of on top of my head which openly pleads for reunification at all costs, and that's Voorpost.

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    Interesting. The irony of it all is that you can barely call the Northern Netherlands a protestant nation. Overijssel, Limburg, Brabant but also Amsterdam are or used to be catholic areas.

    I personally am very against any paternalism (as I too have seen) towards the Southern Netherlands as not many Dutch seem to realize that we in the north were behind Belgium for a long time (scientifically, agriculturally and technically). Frankly I see no differences between our neighbors and us other then that the first use a softer-G in their speech. But I wonder why the younger generation looks at us which such disdain ? I can't remember that we did do anything wrong to them after 1830-1839.

    Like you I am hugely in favor of reunification (rather tonight then tomorrow) as are and ought to be one. Belgium is in my eyes artificial entity that should not exist. The Belgians of today are not the offspring of the Belgae and therefore the name Belgium is incorrect and hence is the entire theory behind the existence of the Belgian state. A re-unification would add strenght to North and South when it comes to the economy and to foreign politics (and could finally wipe the stain of the partition behind us: I look at the partition in the same way as people looked towards the German East-West partition).
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    A re-unification would add strenght to North and South when it comes to the economy and to foreign politics
    I completely agree here.

    And this is something many people here don't realise. But we need the Netherlands. The entire Flemish economy is pretty much built up around the harbour of Antwerp. But just looking at a map you see that the Netherlands control the access to the harbour (and I've actually heard Dutch nationalists claim things like: 'if Flanders becomes Independent and doesn't join us, we'll just close off the Scheld like we did centuries ago').

    Additionally, the Iron Rhine is another collaboration between the Netherlands and Flanders that's -necessary- if we want to rip ourselves free from Wallony. Currently if transportation is done from Antwerp to the German Hinterland, the fastest and economically superior method is by transporting by river ship from Antwerp to Liège (in Wallony) and from there send it by truck or train to Germany.

    The Iron Rhine would mean that we take all those transportation jobs out of Wallony and bring them to the larger area around that railroad axis.

    (I can talk about these kind of things forever, since my major in college was logistics technology, which revolves entirely around transportation.)
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    I don't see why Belgium should split
    because there is two languages ,
    historically , ethnically , they are one ,
    coming from the celts Belgaes and the german Franks .

    And they have a strong cultural link : beer and les frites !

    But if really they don't want to live together anymore then fair enough .

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    Then our door is always open and for as far as I am concerned that includes for the Walloons.



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    Civis wants to anschluss the Wallonia ...

    and denies the same for Germany /Austria .

    If Flanders are separating from Wallonia it wouldn't be
    to joint NL WITH Wallons ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gandalf View Post
    Civis wants to anschluss the Wallonia ...

    and denies the same for Germany /Austria .

    If Flanders are separating from Wallonia it wouldn't be
    to joint NL WITH Wallons ...
    They are Frenchified Dutch (their original language and culture stolen by the French) and unlike Germany we are not 80 million strong and with a history of aggression. Now that I think of it.. unlike France too.



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    You probably ignore the origines of french language ,
    witch comes directly from belgian Franks speak there own kind of latin ,
    upon a celtic substrat .

    And the result is soo great that your Wallons won't be back into dutch .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oresai View Post
    Familiar story to me, being Scots. I do hope Flanders gains independance.
    Pfff, oh please.

    The Flemish are the main component of Belgium and the ones who pay all the bills and keep the Walloons on welfare, the English are the main component of the UK who keep 22% of Scots in public sector jobs and about 7% or more on welfare.



    UK - $2.71 Trillion
    England - $2.28 Trillion
    Scotland - $214 Billion
    England = 83% of UK population, roughly 2/3 of the land and around 90% of the economy.
    Scotland = under 10% of population, around 9% of economy.

    I do love it how many Scottish nationalists like you delude yourselves that Scotland is anywhere near matching England or even suggesting that you're subsidising us!
    It's so fucking funny

    See this...

    Typical SNP pleb with an exaggerated view of the Scottish economy as usual.

    Maybe you should try asking Scotland when it's going to return Orkney and Shetland to Denmark.... oh wait, you're probably a descendant of the Scottish colonists there. Don't worry, I think they can afford to pay the dowry by now. Denmark should ask for it's islands and oil back.


    Flanders is being robbed by Belgium. Being the most succesfull part of Belgium, it has to give in a considerable amount of its wealth to the Walloons,
    Flanders ~ England
    Last edited by Albion; 09-17-2011 at 05:04 PM. Reason: added more to the rant directed at the ignorant scot

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    Belgium is not an artificial nation, there were Belgians already in the middle ages; it's really just the southern Netherlands that became independent as a peculiarity. The Walloons and Flemish are not different ethnicities and they both have the same history. I would rather a Kingdom of the Belgians than a Flemish Republic.

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