Dicky wants to convert Turkey. Remembers he's an Atheist.

[Absinthe]

When was it concealed? Apart from never, that is.

Except maybe the bit where you masturbate on people's photos

[Spaniard_Truth]

Except maybe the bit where you masturbate on people's photos

I'm asexual, but it was a funny thing to say. I amuse myself.

[Absinthe]

I'm asexual, but it was a funny thing to say. I amuse myself.

Well as of late, it's not just yourself that you're amusing!

[Spaniard_Truth]

Well as of late, it's not just yourself that you're amusing!

Meh, I just never fit in

Oh well, I guess it's time to pack my bags and try to fit in somewhere else.

Adieu up

[Absinthe]

There goes our Monday night entertainment

Oh well, I guess I'll just have to go and see what's on TV

[Lutiferre]

Ugliness could be defined spatially as contours falling within certain parameters, using complex computer algorithms, and tested against various sample groups. This wouldn't mean that these features were actually ugly, but rather that it benefited organs (selectively) at a particular stage of development to perceive them as such.

Though there is only a consensus of ugliness in the extremes: people who are extremely deformed or riddled with disease.

You obviously couldn't claim that for an entire nation of Turks, especially considering the Turkish people is among the most genetically and ancestrally heterogeneous. But I'm sure you will, anyway.

Also, a simple correlation between beauty and health exists in that beauty and health correlate with youth.

Exactly. It's perfectly fine that Turks don't fall into your taste. But that doesn't make any difference to this basic correlation. Beauty correlates with youth in Turks just as well as any other race.

[Spaniard_Truth]

Though there is only a consensus of ugliness in the extremes: people who are extremely deformed or riddled with disease.

You obviously couldn't claim that for an entire nation of Turks, especially considering the Turkish people is among the most genetically and ancestrally heterogeneous. But I'm sure you will, anyway.

Exactly. It's perfectly fine that Turks don't fall into your taste. But that doesn't make any difference to this basic correlation. Beauty correlates with youth in Turks just as well as any other race.

Oh please stop talking to me so I can leave already!

Ugliness is nothing but an instinctual reaction against traits that historically have proven negative in reproductive terms. It is nothing but a trend. Evolution is nothing but statistical probability plus millennia. The reason is that a certain general combination of characteristics is indicative of health, not in every case, but in general. This health can be physical adeptness, lack of disease, youth etc. Variation in taste exists, but within parameters, as you say. Closer to the fringes of those parameters, the more likely it is that one is considered unattractive.

This isn't objective. It exists in the consciousness of humans, only for humans, and not even in every case, but as a general tendency.

Now it's easy, given the common ancestry of humans, to propose that all humans share a basic consensus of beauty. If a race, purely for example, is descended from a tribe of lepers (pretend that it's genetic for the sake of argument), the gene-pool will repeatedly produce the traits considered unattractive to other nations.

Relatively within the group, certain individuals will be considered more or less attractive (closer or further from the ingrained ideal), but relative to other nations, they will be less attractive. Youth would make members relatively more attractive than their elders, but in contrast to other races, not so.

I find instances of symmetry less frequent among Turks, as well as other features usually preferred. A computer program may prove me right, or may prove me wrong.

Of course, over this there's a significant cultural element to our preferences. To unravel this facet of our taste from that which is primeval, well, that's a challenge I won't be sticking around to endeavour to solve.

[Poltergeist]

Didn't you say: adieu?

[Spaniard_Truth]

Yes, but somebody addressed me, and you addressed me too.