Dicky wants to convert Turkey. Remembers he's an Atheist.

[Spaniard_Truth]

Now that is some valid geopolitical argument

(This is why Europeans are losing)

Interestingly, I know you're a Nietzsche fan:

"Socrates belonged, in his origins, to the lowest orders: Socrates was rabble. One knows, one sees for oneself, how ugly he was. But ugliness, an objection in itself, is among Greeks almost a refutation. Was Socrates a Greek at all? Ugliness is frequently enough the sign of a thwarted development, a development retarded by interbreeding."

-- Friedrich Nietzsche, Twilight Of The Idols, Aphorism 3



Can anyone say "Ouch"?

[Cato]

Droping hydrogen bombs on Mecca and Medina would weaken Islam. Also, pulling Dawkins' head out of his backside might make him think a bit clearer about his goals. He's basically a sideshow attraction, sort of like an atheist Pat Robertson.

[Spaniard_Truth]

Droping hydrogen bombs on Mecca and Medina would weaken Islam. Also, pulling Dawkins' head out of his backside might make him think a bit clearer about his goals. He's basically a sideshow attraction, sort of like an atheist Pat Robertson.

I agree. Does he even know why it's so important that the whole world should embrace atheism? I don't believe in God at all, but religion is an effective social adhesive that can strengthen communities. As long as it doesn't infect the intelligentsia of a culture, I don't see how it matters.

[Poltergeist]

Turks are a really ugly nation, and I never care what ugly people think.

Are you beautiful?

[Lutiferre]

Actually ugliness is a sign of biological undesirability. Nothing exists for non-selective reasons, and therefore beauty, as all things, points to health, and ugliness to lack thereof.

The education and "civilisation" of filth reeks of Christianity, which lesser minds perpetuate because of religiously-tinged cultural socialization and their inability to think for themselves.

I, however, am not remotely interested in other people and their business. How filth live their lives is not my interest. I'd laugh a little if they died, but certainly wouldn't spend any more energy on them than that.

Oh, but hopefully they'll be converted and they'll respect women's feelings and recycle and plant trees and shit. That's what I really hope for.

You are going to bring biology and heredity into it, are you?

If you are going to make that claim, then you will have to clearly define ugliness in a scientifically meaningful sense, so we can test genetically whether there is a correlation between this proposed ugliness and other qualities such as neurological and [nervous system] qualities of intelligence, coordination, vision, sense, speed of reaction, etc, and other qualities like strength.

To the contrary, such a correlation cannot exist so long as you are unable to genetically define ugliness. The problem is, it is not a valid or objective concept for microbiological validation. A persons ugliness need not say anything about any of their other [biological or spiritual] qualities.

And I think Nietzsche is ugly, anyway.

[Absinthe]

Caring about other people's affairs I find to be significantly correlated with stupidity

Edit: And where was the argument? It was a statement of my opinion. Do you think I care about 'arguing' and attempting to convert people to my perspective? How primitive. I couldn't care in the least about such pedestrian matters. Nobody has ever affected my thoughts, and I have no desire to affect anyone else's.

Nobody cares about your primitive logic and moronic opinions, Spaniard, when we're having a discussion and you pop up out of the blue and write a childish, low-brow comment such as "I don't care about the opinions of ugly people".

Europe is in the shitty situation it is today exactly because of Eurotrash like you and their over-simplistic and juvenile way of thinking, underestimating and/or ignoring the enemy because they're not "goodlooking enough" for you to notice.

Then you go on by taking matters entirely off-topic to quote Nietzsche on Aristotle (as if I ever claimed to be Aristotelian ) just to insult me personally because you have no arguments, and to insult my nation (since you hate Greeks according to the rep point you gave me).

I, for one, know that you are not representative of your nation so I won't insult you on a national level, as I know that there's eurotrash in every country.

[Cato]

I agree. Does he even know why it's so important that the whole world should embrace atheism? I don't believe in God at all, but religion is an effective social adhesive that can strengthen communities. As long as it doesn't infect the intelligentsia of a culture, I don't see how it matters.

As much as I think his ideas were wrong, Marx was correct when he compared religion to an opiate for mankind.

Atheism is a weak belief, purely a form of intellectual nihilism that makes about as much sense as the degraded belief that the world is fallen and in need of Christian salvation.

I believe in God on a number of different levels: God in the singular as per monotheism, a stern and often demanding judge and ruler; God in the singular as per, say, Platonism, a passive guiding principle and first cause; God as personal; God as impersonal; God as "the entire race of gods," or the God of gods of polytheism; God as inner self; God as an idea or mental impression; God as moral argument; God as history.

Etc.

There's no real way to categorize an infinite being, but the atheists blunder into a metaphysical argument whilst claiming that it's not a metaphysical argument but, rather, a problem for science to solve. Atheists aren't equipped at all to deal with a metaphysical conundrum. Sure, they can analyze the Bible or whatever religious text in a purely physical manner (linguistics, or using corroborative history and comparative religion), but that's only the superficial aspect of it- they use their mind and not their spirit and intuition (things which they deny have any power). So, in the end of things, they're basically the proverbial blind leading the blind.

[Spaniard_Truth]

You are going to bring biology and heredity into it, are you?

If you are going to make that claim, then you will have to clearly define ugliness in a scientifically meaningful sense, so we can test genetically whether there is a correlation between this proposed ugliness and other qualities such as neurological and [nervous system] qualities of intelligence, coordination, vision, sense, speed of reaction, etc, and other qualities like strength.

To the contrary, such a correlation cannot exist so long as you are unable to genetically define ugliness. The problem is, it is not a valid or objective concept for microbiological validation. A persons ugliness need not say anything about any of their other [biological or spiritual] qualities.

And I think Nietzsche is ugly, anyway.

I never said it was objective. In fact, I implied quite strongly that it was subjective. Nothing relative to evolution is "objective".

Ugliness could be defined spatially as contours falling within certain parameters, using complex computer algorithms, and tested against various sample groups. This wouldn't mean that these features were actually ugly, but rather that it benefited organs (selectively) at a particular stage of development to perceive them as such.

Besides, I don't have to do anything on an internet forum.

Also, a simple correlation between beauty and health exists in that beauty and health correlate with youth. So even without research (which I wouldn't bother doing for you anyway), I've shown you up embarrassingly.

P.S. Nietzsche thinks you're ugly.

[Goidelic]

Turkey as a whole is pretty much Atheist, regardless of its old imperialist cultural Muslim national identity and history that took place only during the Ottoman times at the height of its power say 16th-17th century, rather than Paleolithic or archaic Neolithic time frame of its remarkable history. Turkey has much more ancient history before Islam existed in its country, such as ancient Galatia during 3rd century BC. (BC meaning "Before Christ" or BI "Before Islam" ). At most Turks are secular harmless Muslims, leaning towards irreligion/Atheism. The Turks in Germany and elsewhere in Europe are from a non-assimilated bankrupt criminal ghetto rootless backwards generation selling döner and other kebab meat as well as organized crime, there of course like always exceptions and Turks that assimilate become respectful and become successful in those nations and elsewhere. In addition to that, there are crazy people in every nation or country which we all realize. I don't want Turkey to join the EU for mainly ancestral and geographic reasons. Culturally they have a rich diverse history. They have had terrible barbarism with the Armenian genocide and Ottoman Empire, but have also made significant major achievements in ancient Celtic Galatia, as well as Roman & Christian Galatia.

Other than that, they're fine. Most Germans and other western Euros vacation in Turkey anyway, and from myself talking with them they've had a great time. I really can't think of the last time I read of a beheading in Turkey. Turks don't wear burkas and other pro-Islamic clothing for that matter only a small minority. Crime will always happen doing the wrong thing at the wrong time.

[Spaniard_Truth]

Thank you for showing your true self!

I tend out to bring out that in people, must be the Socratic method I guess? Hi-ho!

When was it concealed? Apart from never, that is.