The failure of Bulgarism in Macedonia

[Alexq]

Except that they weren't.

Macedonia is the oldest name surviving from the balkans, so you 'turanic' asian or whatever your are, have no right even to be on this forum, go back to china and grow some rice

[Szegedist]

Macedonia is the oldest name surviving from the balkans, so you 'turanic' asian or whatever your are, have no right even to be on this forum, go back to china and grow some rice

China? We never came from China. You Indo-Europeans on the other hand came from Eastern Ukraine/West Euroasia, so why not go back there?

[Vulcho]

Indo-Europeans and Uralics came from places quite near to each other. They might have been neighbors at the time.

[morski]

Bulgars have been trying to take Macedonia ever since they rode in on horseback from central asia in the 7th century. In more recent times, for example in WWI and WWII, they tried to forceably Bulgarize the local Slavic Macedonians, without success. Even today, they use other more sophisticated tactics like propaganda, educational programs and giving away EU/BG passports to Macedonians. But still the Macedonians want nothing to do with Bulgarians. Even those with Bulgarian passports still declare themselves as Macedonians, much to the dissapointment of the Bulgarian govt.

Should Bulgaria just accept that Macedonians are Macedonians, and not Bulgarians, and the Macedonian language is a recognized language the world over, and not a dialect of Bulgarian?

Precisely which Macedonians do you have in mind in this post, cause: Македонското население се състои от българи турци арнаути власи евреи и цигани - Гьорче Петров.

[Bugarash 1893]

Sokols macedonism is based on two national figures-Pulevski,Chupovski and Chento ENDE!
What people like Petrov,Delchev,Toshev,Toshev,Radev,Chakalarov,Niko lov,Tatarchev,Talev,Markovski...were and wrote means nothing to aussie macedonists like Sokol.

Just take a look at their parades and you'll get the picture with what kind of nuts we're talking to

[Shkembe Chorba]

So, I'm just one day at this forum and found it pretty deficult to follow the macedonian's point of view. Why Sokol and the other mate are so offensive ? They want so badly bulgarians to equal iranian or turk or something, depends on the topic.

[Novi Pazar]

Bulgars have been trying to take Macedonia ever since they rode in on horseback from central asia in the 7th century. In more recent times, for example in WWI and WWII, they tried to forceably Bulgarize the local Slavic Macedonians, without success. Even today, they use other more sophisticated tactics like propaganda, educational programs and giving away EU/BG passports to Macedonians. But still the Macedonians want nothing to do with Bulgarians. Even those with Bulgarian passports still declare themselves as Macedonians, much to the dissapointment of the Bulgarian govt.

Should Bulgaria just accept that Macedonians are Macedonians, and not Bulgarians, and the Macedonian language is a recognized language the world over, and not a dialect of Bulgarian?

They must end the belief that if a Bulgarian Empire may have once occupied over a group of people doesn't mean they are pure Bulgars or simply just Bulgars. Macedonians were NEVER Bulgars, its a known fact!

[Archduke]

Macedonians were NEVER Bulgars, its a known fact!

Not amongst the Bulgarians in Bulgaria who have ancestry from Vardar Macedonia, thats for sure.

[Novi Pazar]

^ A Bulgarianised Macedonian (from 1872 onwards) that fled to Bulgaria doesn't mean his/her origin is pure Bulgarian!

[Novi Pazar]

So, I'm just one day at this forum and found it pretty deficult to follow the macedonian's point of view. Why Sokol and the other mate are so offensive ? They want so badly bulgarians to equal iranian or turk or something, depends on the topic.

The name BULGARIA is an East Asian tribal name, its not indo-european at all. Technically, the name Turk and the name Bulgar do equate!