The failure of Bulgarism in Macedonia

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[Цитат = -Invictus-; 6727665] http://javno.mk/reshenie-na-asnom-72-godini-od-usvojuvaneto-na-makedonskata-azbuka/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=0c25f5543ac4c41afbf378d7c0b14 2d5440ba9cf-1590932095-0-AT8Jkkar9tyRNDCKiFc9r1ljheTMg3IG9MB6hHydmwoOIDitro xzjJLc72xwoURpUFWmU-EI02IDsNz_vJAbL8Oq20nnYAUiOCz4IsmqQ_8uBg98gng5vQtE rztmBtUxrUZefgPqOkuYT4DEipWxzd8lyLvrlH8i4L4soVxoXU p5A_5zLEaWFwmbs9Sq0xi0RvN8SF4gRQMvMm6c_KyLaHUpw8FJ aoJfP4kC- f0ThiiY1lS6wVcZwk73vz5qrIKbZtqsLriph3JKh7ph2FzwY7z YzQnulQD1wVgm7AgJ8wqG_x5qr8izOuRwlm6Y1RoK-sGf4CF0tq2nQtTPdALG8eELgpbEAy7EN2AqGes5i5hG [/ цитат]


Тъкмо успяха криво ляво за 70 години да направят някакъв "книжовен македонски" сега в следващите 70 ще трябва да създават нов, северномакедонски книжовен Похватите и в двата случая са еднакви, чрез кражба на чужда история или чрез преиначаването и . Жалка картинка!

И то какъв книжовен Македонски. Сменят Ъ с О,А,У или го махат напълно за получаването на думи и имена, като Сърбо-Босненско-Хърватските с пример - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tvrtko_I_of_Bosnia . Сменят Й с J, Я с JA, Щ с ШТ, заемат още някоя друга Сръбска буква и айде готово. Нов език, но същевременно и много античен

[MegaArgus1]

Not in the context of Macedonia. The Serbian grammar (and all other Slavic languages) is very different to that of Bulgarian and Macedonian. Macedonian was a language created overnight. Otherwise, the people were always writing in Bulgarian and speaking Bulgarian. Macedonian is still on many levels a Bulgarian dialect, but a corrupted one with Serbisms, and removal or replacement of integral sounds and letters.

Considering the times and circumstances, it is inevitable that the great achievement of the two "Apostles to the Slavs" should still be shrouded in myths and legends. On the other hand, the second contemporary Macedonian literary language was created in the full light of our day. Yet this too is obscured by a growing Macedonian Myth. To it, Horace Lunt has contributed his share and set the pace for subsequent American linguistics.

Macedonian language was codified late because we had no opportunity to have it done before. Similarities with the other Slavic languages in this regiaon come from the common Old Slavic Language and the geographical proximity. That is not excuse for the Bulgarian chauvinism to expose itself so violently regarding our Macedonian Language.

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Macedonian language was codified late because we had no opportunity to have it done before. Similarities with the other Slavic languages in this regiaon come from the common Old Slavic Language and the geographical proximity. That is not excuse for the Bulgarian chauvinism to expose itself so violently regarding our Macedonian Language.

Interesting why the Macedonian "language" was codified in communist Yugoslavia to be more reminiscent of the Serbo-Croatian? Why Bulgarian letters like Ъ, Й and Я were removed? Why did you adopt Serbian letters? Why did the sound of Ъ that is distinct for Bulgarian got completely removed or changed with similar vowels like O,A and У?

I have photo from both Macedonian and International source :

Macedonian site that shows one half of the document(there is no signature...) - http://javno.mk/reshenie-na-asnom-72...my0mrJ4MiWFzTK

Wikipedia that shows the entire document - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia..._May_1945.tiff

"Decision about the Macedonian Alphabet 1 May 1945. Note it is written on Bulgarian typewriter using Й and there are hand-written Ѕ, Ј and Џ, and diacritics added to create Ѓ and Ќ. The rejection of the Ъ, together with the adoption of Ј, Џ, Љ and Њ, led to accusations of "Serbianization".[78][79][80]"

If we look at the sources numbered by 78, 79 and 80 we can see :

"78. When Blaze Koneski, the founder of the Macedonian standard language, as a young boy, returned to his Macedonian native village from the Serbian town where he went to school, he was ridiculed for his Serbianized language.Cornelis H. van Schooneveld, Linguarum: Series maior, Issue 20, Mouton., 1966, p. 295."

"79. ...However this was not at all the case, as Koneski himself testifies. The use of the schwa is one of the most important points of dispute not only between Bulgarians and Macedonians, but also between Macedonians themselves – there are circles in Macedonia who in the beginning of the 1990s denounced its exclusion from the standard language as a hostile act of violent serbianization... For more see: Alexandra Ioannidou (Athens, Jena) Koneski, his successors and the peculiar narrative of a “late standardization” in the Balkans. in Romanica et Balcanica: Wolfgang Dahmen zum 65. Geburtstag, Volume 7 of Jenaer Beiträge zur Romanistik with Thede Kahl, Johannes Kramer and Elton Prifti as ed., Akademische Verlagsgemeinschaft München AVM, 2015, ISBN 3954770369, pp. 367-375."

"80. Kronsteiner, Otto, Zerfall Jugoslawiens und die Zukunft der makedonischen Literatursprache : Der späte Fall von Glottotomie? in: Die slawischen Sprachen (1992) 29, 142-171."

[PAGANE]

Yordan Ivanov's book from 1915 "Bulgarians in Macedonia - Searches and documents about their origin, language and nationality" is more than interesting, here is a comment with a document from 1865 about the author of the Konik Gospel, who took a letter of recommendation from Shafarich for a meeting in Prague.


The book: "Bulgarians in Macedonia - Searches and documents about their origin, language and nationality"
http://www.promacedonia.org/pdf/ivan...NNO9m3h-gRKLlI

[Crn Volk]

A band of Macedonian insurgents arrested by Bulgarian soldiers while crossing the Bulgarian-Turkish border, Bulgaria, illustration by Richard Caton Woodville from L'Illustration, No 3163, October 10, 1903 . DeA / Veneranda Biblioteca Ambrosiana, Milan

[Renekton]

Interesting why the Macedonian "language" was codified in communist Yugoslavia to be more reminiscent of the Serbo-Croatian? Why Bulgarian letters like Ъ, Й and Я were removed? Why did you adopt Serbian letters? Why did the sound of Ъ that is distinct for Bulgarian got completely removed or changed with similar vowels like O,A and У?

I have photo from both Macedonian and International source :

Macedonian site that shows one half of the document(there is no signature...) - http://javno.mk/reshenie-na-asnom-72...my0mrJ4MiWFzTK

Wikipedia that shows the entire document - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia..._May_1945.tiff

"Decision about the Macedonian Alphabet 1 May 1945. Note it is written on Bulgarian typewriter using Й and there are hand-written Ѕ, Ј and Џ, and diacritics added to create Ѓ and Ќ. The rejection of the Ъ, together with the adoption of Ј, Џ, Љ and Њ, led to accusations of "Serbianization".[78][79][80]"

If we look at the sources numbered by 78, 79 and 80 we can see :

"78. When Blaze Koneski, the founder of the Macedonian standard language, as a young boy, returned to his Macedonian native village from the Serbian town where he went to school, he was ridiculed for his Serbianized language.Cornelis H. van Schooneveld, Linguarum: Series maior, Issue 20, Mouton., 1966, p. 295."

"79. ...However this was not at all the case, as Koneski himself testifies. The use of the schwa is one of the most important points of dispute not only between Bulgarians and Macedonians, but also between Macedonians themselves – there are circles in Macedonia who in the beginning of the 1990s denounced its exclusion from the standard language as a hostile act of violent serbianization... For more see: Alexandra Ioannidou (Athens, Jena) Koneski, his successors and the peculiar narrative of a “late standardization” in the Balkans. in Romanica et Balcanica: Wolfgang Dahmen zum 65. Geburtstag, Volume 7 of Jenaer Beiträge zur Romanistik with Thede Kahl, Johannes Kramer and Elton Prifti as ed., Akademische Verlagsgemeinschaft München AVM, 2015, ISBN 3954770369, pp. 367-375."

"80. Kronsteiner, Otto, Zerfall Jugoslawiens und die Zukunft der makedonischen Literatursprache : Der späte Fall von Glottotomie? in: Die slawischen Sprachen (1992) 29, 142-171."

We are not the same people!!! We are mostly Paleobalkanic with minor Slavic input. Bulgarians are in majority Slavs nothing in common with Macedonians.

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We are not the same people!!! We are mostly Paleobalkanic with minor Slavic input. Bulgarians are in majority Slavs nothing in common with Macedonians.

Oh yes. Nothing in common. More than 300 years of Vardar being part of the medieval Bulgarian kingdom(without the Byzantine/Ottoman rule). Speaking almost the same language(it was basically one language before Serbian intervention). Having the same names. Same national heroes. Lowest genetic distance. HELLO?

http://www.academia.edu/14205263/Gen...c_of_Macedonia

"The Macedonian population has the largest genetic distance
against the Croatian population (0.2643), while the lowest against
Bulgarian population (0.0815) (Table 4).The neighbor-joining
consensus tree constructed based on the results of the genetic
distance analysis shows that the population of the Macedonian
ethnic origin has possible highest similarity with the Bulgarian
populations, and not such dissimilarity with the cluster which
consists Bosnian and Herzegovinian-Serbian-Croatian populations,
while the Kosovo population create a separate group (Fig. 2)."

The study was conducted in Skopje, Sarajevo and Zagreb, so it's definitely not Bulgarian propaganda. Here's also a link from U.S. National Library of Medicine website that shows the study is completely legitimate : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21549657

So, you were part of Yugoslavia and Serbia aggressively tried to convert you and moved Serbians to your lands, but modern Macedonians are more genetically related to Bulgarians. Hmm... But wait, there is more!

Remember the Slavic migration to the Balkans? Here is what a Macedonian archeologist has to say :

http://macedonia.kroraina.com/im3/im_3.htm

"Натамошните словенски продири кон југ на Балканот за нас немаат поголемо значење, бидејќи градскиот живот во Македонија речиси целосно замрел. Преживеаното ромејско население избегало на југ или се повлекло во потешко пристапните планински тврдини. Во 20-ина поважни крепости најдени се потврди за натамошното живеење: монети од крајот на 6. и раниот 7. век, потоа карактеристични византиски војнички фибули (токи) од исто време (сл. 1). Со нив ќе изгасне античката епоха кај нас."

So far so good. City life in Byzantine Macedonia ended because of barbarian attacks and coins were found only in fortresses.

"Исидор од Севиља забележал дека во 5-та година од владеењето на Ираклиј (614/15 г.) Словените целосно го окупирале просторот на Грција. За да дојдат таму, тие морале попат да ја прегазат и Македонија. За жал, досега не успеавме да регистрираме археолошки (материјални) траги од присуството на Словените на нашето подрачје од 7., 8. и поголемиот дел од 9 век..."

Oh oh. Wait a minute. Slavs pillaged Greek territories, but there are no signs of any Slavic culture on the territory of North Macedonia? Hmm. Only ones that are found are from the second half of 9th century. What happened in 9th century?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presian_I_of_Bulgaria

"Presian (Bulgarian: Пресиян, Персиян, Пресиан) was the Khan of Bulgaria from 836–852. He ruled during an extensive expansion in Macedonia."



So the first Slavic cultural findings in today's North Macedonia are from the end of 9th century. Interesting.

Do you know who was in that land too?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuber

"Kuber[1] (also Kouber or Kuver) was a Bulgar leader who according to the Miracles of Saint Demetrius liberated a mixed Bulgar and Byzantine Christian population in the 670s, whose ancestors had been transferred from the Eastern Roman Empire to the Syrmia region in Pannonia by the Avars 60 years earlier.[2][3] According to a scholarly theory, he was a son of Kubrat, brother of Khan Asparukh and member of the Dulo clan."

"Kuber and his people moved as far as the region of Thessaloniki.[9][22] He decided to settle together with the Sermesianoi in a plain and sent his envoy to the Byzantine Emperor, whom the Miracles of Saint Demetrios did not name, to request his permission.[9] The emperor gave his consent and ordered the nearby Slavic tribe of the Dragovites to supply Kuber and his people with food.[9][17]"



You will say "But the emperor ordered the Slavic tribe Dragovites to supply them with food, so Slavs were in North Macedonia". Nope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drougoubitai

"The Drougoubitai, also Drogobitai or Dragobitai (Greek: Δρο[υ]γο[υ]βῖται/Δραγοβῖται), variously anglicized as Drugubites, Drogubites, Druguvites, Draguvites etc., were a South Slavic group (Sclaveni) who settled in the Balkans in the 7th century. Two distinct branches are mentioned in the sources, one living in medieval Macedonia to the north and east of Thessalonica and around Veroia (in modern Greece)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauros

"Mauros (Bulgarian: Мавър; Greek: Μαύρος, "black, dark") (fl. 686–711) was a Bulgar leader, one of the chief subordinates and closest supporters of Kuber, a 7th-century Bulgar ruler in Macedonia. "



"Seal of Mauros, one of Kuber's chief associates, from 684-685 AD. The inscription says: "Of Mauros, patrikios and archon of the Sermesianoi and Bulgaroi"."

And to end with an interesting treasure from today's Albania - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avar_Treasure

"The treasure from Vrap is a Bulgars treasure attributed to Kuber. After its discovery, it was attributed to the Avars, but this is an outdated hypothesis compared to other artifacts from archaeological finds. [1][2][3]"

Before you say "Stupid Bulgarian historians claimed the Avar treasure" here is a link to one of the sources - https://archive.org/details/altaiiranundvlk00strzgoog https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Strzygowski

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[Crn Volk]

Get back in your yurt Invictoglu

[blogen]

Macedonian-Australian actually. There are 100,000 of us officially in Australia. Unofficially there are more. But let's stay on topic.

So, you are an ethnic Greek, since the Macedonians are Greeks!