Sicilian genetics.. why no east/west genetic division, but a phenotypical one?

[Peyrol]

Then where did the high West Asian and Southwest Asian influence even present in western Sicilians come from? If not the Elymians (which if they are Aegean and Ligurian in origin it couldn't be them) then it would have had to be Phoenicians or prehistoric Neolithics.

Probabily there was a first wave of troian/anatolic settlers, and later some ligurian and other aegean settlements.
That's explain the fierce rivalry between Selinunte (a Spartan colony) and the Elymes.

[Sikeliot]

As to the whole "Greek" thing, it's highly possible that either or even both the Sicels and Sicanians were Illyrian tribes from the Balkans, who were later with the arrival of the Siceliotes (Greek Sicilians) became Hellenized. Being that Illyrians and Greeks were already close, it would be as though the Sicels and Sicanians had never existed.

Well it is said the Sicanians came from Iberia, but if that is so, it would have to mean they contributed not much at all to Sicilians' genes, since I've never seen a Sicilian cluster near, or share any reasonable amount of, DNA with an Iberian except for the significant "Mediterranean" component ALL Southern Europeans and even Mediterranean non-Europeans share.

I do know that neither the Sicels nor Sicanians were allowed, by the Greeks, to live near the coasts. So if you wanted to find their ancestry, looking toward Caltanissetta and Enna, or inner Palermo, would be the place to do it.

[Sikeliot]

Probabily there was a first wave of troian/anatolic settlers, and later some ligurian and other aegean settlements.
That's explain the fierce rivalry between Selinunte (a Spartan colony) and the Elymes.

So it'd suggest that the Elymians were a group of mixed Italic and Anatolian affinities. So do you think they were from the Aegean coast of Anatolia, or further in?

[alfieb]

I do know that neither the Sicels nor Sicanians were allowed, by the Greeks, to live near the coasts. So if you wanted to find their ancestry, looking toward Caltanissetta and Enna, or inner Palermo, would be the place to do it.

Nah, it doesn't get much more "Inner Palermo" as my village (we border Caltanissetta), and that area is where the Norman descent seems to peak. Then again, more Sicanian influence would explain even further why we're different from most.

[Peyrol]

So it'd suggest that the Elymians were a group of mixed Italic and Anatolian affinities. So do you think they were from the Aegean coast of Anatolia, or further in?

Tyrann Pitagoras of Selinunte wrote that they were mostly of troian stock, and the language was a ''disgusting blasphemy of ionian language''.
They weren't allowed to settle in the city, yes...and don't forget that Selinunte had more than 100,000 inhabithants during the Golden Era of the greek Sicily.

[Sikeliot]

Nah, it doesn't get much more "Inner Palermo" as my village (we border Caltanissetta), and that area is where the Norman descent seems to peak. Then again, more Sicanian influence would explain even further why we're different from most.

So I would actually think that the Sicanians were bred out of the population for the most part, if not by Greeks and Phoenicians, then by the Normans.

Sicanians would have ended up near Caltanissetta, but people in that region often have Armenoid, not Iberian, features. But I have also heard it suggested that the Sicanians were more similar to Guanches and Berbers, rather than Celt-Iberians.

Tyrann Pitagoras of Selinunte wrote that they were mostly of troian stock, and the language was a ''disgusting blasphemy of ionian language''.
They weren't allowed to settle in the city, yes...and don't forget that Selinunte had more than 100,000 inhabithants during the Golden Era of the greek Sicily.

What would Trojans and Elymians have looked like? Obviously, Anatolia would have looked less European than today and would not yet have been mixed with the Greeks.

[alfieb]

Sicanians would have ended up near Caltanissetta, but people in that region often have Armenoid, not Iberian, features. But I have also heard it suggested that the Sicanians were more similar to Guanches and Berbers, rather than Celt-Iberians.

That would be rather convenient for you, as you believe that I look Berid.

[Sikeliot]

That would be rather convenient for you, as you believe that I look Berid.

It actually would. But do you cluster near Iberians, or no? You're also 25% non-Sicilian and that may pull you north.

No one else thought you looked Iberian really except for me. I was alone on that one

[alfieb]

French, but not Iberians, no.

[Sikeliot]

Well also we'd have to think that Iberians back then would not have been exactly the same as today.
I used to think that the residual "North African" that all Sicilians have might have come from the Sicanians and would represent their genetic input, but I am unsure about that now.