Sicilian, Italian, and Greek 23andme AC Results (Speculative) and Haplogroups.

[alfieb]

Relative Finder match.
100% Greek, parents are both from Aegean Islands, all of the surnames in his family are Greek.
Born in Greece. Lives in Greece.
Over 50% "Italian" on 23andMe.



Loki's claim about "Italian" exclusively meaning Italian ancestry is complete and utter nonsense.

[Sikeliot]

Show me his Global Similarity? That is what I want to see too.

This is what I have noticed about Greeks. All of them show more Balkan, and most of them show less Middle Eastern than Sicilians. They also show "Eastern European", yes even islanders, that we do not have. But their high Italian shows their matching with Sicilians and our shared ancestry which to me is ancient Greek ancestry.

[alfieb]

He clusters with the main Sicilian plot, exactly north of the Western Sicilian I posted a few days ago who had the very high MENA score.

[Sikeliot]

Can you take a picture? I am curious.

So I am thinking that the "Italian"/"Balkan" discrepancy may be an error due to reference populations. if Greek is a reference population, one of three, for Balkan and Sicilians are one of the ones for Italian, they are obviously closer to themselves than one another (Sicilians to Sicilians, Greeks to Greeks) so much of the ancestry may be misread.

From what it looks like, the ONLY difference is the smaller amount of Middle Eastern in Greeks combined with an Eastern European component. The Greeks scoring 100% Balkan or even half or more tend to cluster way north though probably due to a more northern Balkan origin that moved into Greece.

Greeks also score more "nonspecific Southern Euro".


I also want to know why that last half Palermo/half Agrigento Sicilian clusters in the Levant when his African and Middle East are not particularly high.

[alfieb]

I also want to know why that last half Palermo/half Agrigento Sicilian clusters in the Levant when his African and Middle East are not particularly high.

He doesn't show up in the ME cluster only Southern European.



Top green: Greek from Aegean
Bottom green: Sicilian from West

Everyone in between them are also Sicilians, but with much lower Middle Eastern affinity.

[Sikeliot]

Are they western Sicilians too?

I bet on Dodecad, all those people would score very similar. They have to, to cluster so close. But one thing is clear.. if Sicilians and Aegean islanders cluster so close together, which they do, then what's more likely.. that it's by coincidence? OR that they best retain the ancient Greek genome?

Some would say it's because both Aegean islanders and Sicilians have a greater Levantine shift than do other Greeks.

[alfieb]

Well, yeah. Nearly everyone on my RF is from Palermo/Trapani/Agrigento/Caltanissetta.

Even I, being an outlier, show up as being half in the normal Sicilian plot in Dodecad K12 mixedmode.

[Sikeliot]

Do you think you have more Greek or more Phoenician in you?

Western Sicilians must have some Greek in them to be able to plot near Aegean islander Greeks. Either that or the Phoenicians back then were much more Greek-like than today's Lebanese. Or, the Elymian theory and they, being Anatolian, were similar to Greeks anyway.

[alfieb]

I think I'd pass in Greece easier than Lebanon, but in terms of genetics, I don't know. There are more Greek-origin surnames in my family than Middle Eastern-origin ones, but given that my family are from Trapani and Palermo, logic would dictate that we're more Phoenician.

[Sikeliot]

What are some Arabic rooted Sicilian surnames? The only ones I can think of are Taibbi (which is an actual Arabic surname), Salafia (that one is obvious), Micicchè, Salimbeni, and anything ending in -ala or -ara.

EDIT: Buscemi is another. And Butera.