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    Quote Originally Posted by Baluarte View Post
    Why should the Irish care about the Jews?
    Or Palestinians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    Or Palestinians?
    or Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
    They fly the Israeli flag higher than the British?

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    Quite saying huh?
    It could have coincidential, but still a fun image.

    Thanks for the material Anglojew

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baluarte View Post
    Not surprising.
    Perfidious Albion and Zion, old relation ^.^
    I think you're forgetting that the Jews in Palestine fought against the British and essentially acted as the terrorists they despise now.
    The UK has been largely pro-Arab (with the exception of the Suez Crisis, although this was for its own gain). The Ulster Unionists sometimes support Israel because (as has already been mentioned), the two sides compare themselves to others around the world - Republicans compare themselves to Palestinians and Basques in a struggle for liberation, Unionists to Jews. Beyond that, there aren't really any strong links between unionists and Israel.

    The Jewish insurgency in Palestine refers to violent events that occurred between 1944/1945 and 1947 in Mandatory Palestine. The tensions between Jewish militant underground organizations and the British mandatory authorities rose since 1938 and intensified with the publication of the MacDonald White Paper of 1939, lasting until the State of Israel in 1948, when the British government policy of limiting Jewish immigration to Mandate Palestine led to conflict between the British Empire and Zionist organizations in Mandatory Palestine, some of which resorted to armed revolt. The main period of the armed conflict took place from the final phase of the World War II, when Irgun declared insurgency campaign upon the British official institutions, lasting until the UN partition plan, on 29 November 1947, after which the civil war between Palestinian Jews and Arabs eclipsed the previous tensions with the British.
    Within Britain there were deep divisions over Palestine policy. The conflict led to heightened antisemitism in the UK and, in August 1947, to widespread anti-Jewish rioting across the UK.[3] The conflict undermined Britain's relationship with the United States.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British...onist_conflict

    The rise of Nazism and the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine led the British to reverse the Balfour Declaration in the 1939 White Paper. This policy placed a limit of allowing 75,000 more Jews into Palestine (by 1949) after which Jewish migration was to be terminated. An independent state in Palestine with an Arab majority was to be established by 1948. In response to the White Paper, land sales to Jews were severely restricted by a 1940 law.[3]
    The end of World War II and the Holocaust left Europe with hundreds of thousands of displaced Jewish refugees. American public opinion supported a Jewish Homeland in Palestine, but Britain persisted in opposing Jewish immigration, fearing damage to its extensive and vulnerable empire in the Middle-East. Britain ruled oil-rich Kuwait, The Arab Emirates, Oman and Bahrain. It also controlled Jordan and Yemen and had treaties binding it to Iraq (where the oil industry was British owned) and Egypt (where Britain administered the Suez canal). With the Jews in Palestine waging an underground war against the British occupation, the refugee situation was critical and British and American policy was at loggerheads.
    The British government suggested the inquiry in the belief that it would agree with their decision to halt Jewish migration into Palestine and thus disarm American pressure. To this end the British agreed to abide by the committee's findings, but made sure that British committee members had a record of supporting Palestinian-Arab aspirations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Quist View Post
    And both tied to the crumbling American economy


    Ireland:

    Main export partners US 23.2%, UK 15.4%, Belgium 14.3%, Germany 8.1%, France 5%, Switzerland 4% (2010)

    Main import partners UK 32.1%, US 14.1%, Germany 7.7%, China 6.4%, Netherlands 4.9% (2010)
    UK:

    Main export partners Germany 11.6%, US 10.6%, Netherlands 8.4%, France 7.8%, Republic of Ireland 6.4%, Belgium 5.7% (2011)

    Main import partners Germany 13.2%, China 8.7%, Netherlands 7.5%, US 6.1%, France 6%, Norway 5%, Belgium 5%
    Who's more tied to America's "crumbling economy"? Well it's not us. And as for their crumbling economy, it is actually recovering better than Europe so ultimately your economic ties to America may benefit Ireland.
    Oh, and btw - if the UK goes down then Ireland will be dragged down with us with such a level of trade. Economies can go into great decline from as little as a 3% drop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baluarte View Post
    And that's why I'm 100% with the Irish in this affair.
    Catholic people that love the land and agriculture fighting the Perfidious Albion, and its jewfriendly Protestant elites, who only believe in saving banks and defending the City of London and its banksters.
    Lol wut? What do you think this is, the 1960s? Ireland isn't agrarian anymore, they're among the most ruthlessly capitalist countries in the world and are clearly an "Anglo-Saxon economy".
    The City of London has very little to do with Israel. There are Jews in banking all over the world, it's how it is and large financial centres will draw bankers in. It's not a difficult concept, and I doubt there's some Jewish banking conspiracy.

    Do you watch the news at all? Ireland bailed out its banks too and suffered even more than Britain has from doing the same.
    When attacking my country, please use actual facts instead of stuff you just made up.

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    Forgot about the bombing. Israel terrorism against the British.

    King David Hotel bombing
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing



    List of Irgun attacks
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuan Belanda View Post
    Europe's commitment should be to a neutrality in the Israeli-Palestine conflict. We should definitely not support Israel (or Palestine for that matter).
    Same with the US. It will never happen though

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    The Jews of Palestine fought with Britain during the war despite the fact Britain issued quotas against Jews to go to Palestine resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths and breaking previous promises.

    The British were warned prior to the King David bombing to evacuate.

    The British trained the Jordanian army and a Briton commanded it when invading israel in 1948.
    Spoiler!

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    Neutrality may ultimately see Israel destroyed though, I don't think this is necessarily a good thing. People that are against Jews need to consider whether they want Israeli refugees turning up in Europe and America, and being allowed to settle (as would likely happen despite any protests).
    Anyone that dislikes Jews should really be supportive of a Jewish homeland concept (although, not necessarily supportive of Israeli actions). If you dislike Jews in your countries, then logic suggests that a home for them is not such a bad idea.

    Israel is quite well armed though, but the Arabs have also acquired a lot of European and American armaments. I think Israel would still beat any Arab war against them though, but only for so long. If it were sustained over a long enough period, they'd eventually run out of money and weapons.
    So I think preserving the status quo is the only thing we can do. We must not support any Israeli offensives or threats against other countries in the region, but make it clear to the countries of the region that the status quo will be maintained. Iran is posturing, an invasion of Iran should not be considered unless it actually does attack any other countries in the region.

    The Gaza strip should be handed to Egypt and West Bank given back to Jordan or left within Israel with autonomy and less Israeli meddling.

    We shouldn't be thinking of Israel in terms of good and bad, but rather whether it is necessary.

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