Is HG I1 the true marker for Scandinavian genes?

[Artek]

The best are certain subclades of I1 and R1a(all downstream of Z284), definitely not every one of them. And rather not R1b, because of the younger age there(more recent migration).

Minor haplogroups like Q or N could be a good marker in some countries, like Great Britain.

[Pallantides]

Saami also have high frequency of I1(over 40%)

[Artek]

Saami also have high frequency of I1(over 40%)

Indeed. But I need to add that most of their I1 belongs to the "Bothnian" clades - not associated with Germanics and not present outside Saami-zone

[Pallantides]

Indeed. But I need to add that most of their I1 belongs to the "Bothnian" clades - not associated with Germanics and not present outside Saami-zone

Are there any genetic frequency maps of the Bothenian clade?

[Graham]

Anyway Y-DNA haplogroups tell very little of a persons overall genetic ancestry, I might be R1b-U106 but I'm genetically just as Nordic/Scandinavian as any Scandinavian I1 carrier.

No! Everyone should change their Surname to suit Ydna.. For example 'Mr Graham 'R1b-L21'.

[Peikko]

No! Everyone should change their Surname to suit Ydna.. For example 'Mr Graham 'R1b-L21'.

That would make me John Doe

[Artek]

Are there any genetic frequency maps of the Bothenian clade?

I've searched for it and I'm afraid that such map doesn't exist.
But from what i've seen, bothnian clade is present in northern sweden,northern norway, finland, russia and estonia.

[Jackson]

I've searched for it and I'm afraid that such map doesn't exist.
But from what i've seen, bothnian clade is present in northern sweden,northern norway, finland, russia and estonia.

Apparently Bothnian clade is older, and so I1 from Finnics to Germanics rather than the other way round. Human Master posted a link to a thread about it on Forumbiodiversity which has some very convincing arguments.

It's interesting that 'North Sea' and 'North Central Euro' components on Eurogenes are the major components of all Germanic peoples, but also Finnish people (for the most part/on average), the two seemed to be linked, and this can explain it.

[Peikko]

Indeed. But I need to add that most of their I1 belongs to the "Bothnian" clades - not associated with Germanics and not present outside Saami-zone

Are you trolling? Bothnian clade exists outside Saami-zone very much. It's associated with NW-Finland and NE-Sweden.



To the original topic, I1 isn't really Germanic-haplo at all:
Finland is the only country with more than 15% of I1 where the Germanic culture and language didn't take root. A good reason for this would be that Germanic culture didn't exist in Scandinavia at the time of the migration because the Indo-Europeans (R1a and R1b) hadn't arrived yet.

Source: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml

This basically means, that Scandinavians are largely just language shifters. There goes the Germanic-übermensch theory.

[Artek]

Are you trolling? Bothnian clade exists outside Saami-zone very much. It's associated with NW-Finland and NE-Sweden.

That's what I've said

But from what i've seen, bothnian clade is present in northern sweden,northern norway, finland, russia and estonia.

http://www.semargl.me/ru/dna/ydna/map-snp/310/
Anyway, that's the very simplified distribution lf I1-L258 "Bothnian". Some areas seem to be undertested but I'm sure that it's more of that in Northern Sweden and Estonia.

It's interesting that 'North Sea' and 'North Central Euro' components on Eurogenes are the major components of all Germanic peoples, but also Finnish people (for the most part/on average), the two seemed to be linked, and this can explain it.

Could you provide me with those percentages for various germanics and finnics?